Re: Failed Again!!!

I started a petition...

Read it...

If you think you might agree...

Maybe it is time to boycott the CCIE.

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Dark Fiber <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Rick very well said. Your email makes we want to find a why to
> reschedule my lab :/ I don't even want to take it now...
>
> On 9/5/09, Mark Matters <markccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > Very well said and thought provoking. I feel the same way.
> >
> > Thank you Rick.
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Rick Tyrell <rtyrell_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I failed for the 3rd time on August 17th. I haven't felt like writing
> >> anything until I read this post. I failed the OEQ section, even though
> I
> >> had passed it the last time. So I guess I went from being 100% on Core
> >> Knowledge to 0% even though I sat another bootcamp and was able to
> >> dedicate
> >> the final 6 weeks of preparation without having to be at work. I
> covered
> >> my
> >> weak areas. But I can not memorize every Cisco Press book verbatim
> which
> >> is
> >> what the OEQ seems to have become.
> >>
> >> Now I understand that Cisco is trying to weed out people who cheat. But
> >> they are doing it the wrong way. Don't waste someones money and time
> >> having
> >> them fly out to a CCIE Lab locations and fail them on the OEQ section.
> >> Make
> >> it a separate exam that can be taken remotely or at a local Cisco
> >> office. Once they can pass the OEQ then they can be allowed to take the
> >> Lab
> >> exam. Interview me in person at a Cisco office and see if I am a
> cheater
> >> or
> >> not. It doesn't take long to find out if someone really knows their
> >> stuff,
> >> just talk to them face to face for a few minutes. I have worked closely
> >> with Cisco SEs and spent many hours on the phone with TAC
> troubleshooting
> >> problems they have never seen. Even teaching them a few things in
> coming
> >> up
> >> with solutions!
> >>
> >> I also went throughout the CCNA, CCNP, and CCSP. I remember failing the
> >> Troubleshooting and Support exam for the CCNP twice before finally
> passing
> >> it, almost giving up. I also have over 10 years of building and
> >> troubleshooting complex networks. If Cisco is really considering the
> >> "Cisco
> >> Certified Architect" methodology maybe they should look at what a
> >> candidate
> >> has gone through before taking the CCIE exam. If I was cheating do you
> >> think I would have gone through the time and money it took going through
> >> the
> >> foundational certifications and spending countless hours in training?
> >>
> >> Maybe instead of an OEQ section we could write and essay about how we
> love
> >> Cisco and will never user another companies products...LOL. I could
> >> write
> >> in there how I convinced my company to switch from 3COM to Cisco and
> have
> >> blanketed our entire Campus with their equipment and Smartnet contracts.
> >> This was all done by me, not a CCIE or "Cisco Certified Architect" or
> >> Cisco
> >> SE. I mean that is what they are trying to produce right? Someone who
> >> knows the technology, can sell the technology to the CIO, configure and
> >> troubleshoot it, draw up some pretty Visio diagrams, and upgrade to the
> >> newest model every few years. I have been doing all this for the last
> 10
> >> years :)
> >>
> >> I will learn the 4.0 material because it is relevant to current industry
> >> standards We are getting ready to implement MPLS VPNs where I work.
> But
> >> I
> >> will not be taking the CCIE 4.0 R&S Lab unless Cisco removes the OEQ
> >> section, if I decide to take it at all. I do feel the troubleshooting
> >> section is a step in the right direction. This exam should
> >> be testing candidates on real world topologies and situations. I have
> >> always had respect for Cisco and their certification program. But I'm
> >> done
> >> with pissing my money and time down the toilet.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Rick
> >>
> >> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 3:51 AM, Alexei Monastyrnyi <alexeim73_at_gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >> > Sorry to hear that, mate. 5th try was my lucky one, so you might pass
> on
> >> > that one as well. Just keep up high spirits.
> >> >
> >> > A. #17234 (RS)
> >> >
> >> > Dennis Worth wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> FYI Group
> >> >> Failed CCIE R&S for the 4th time, and this time it was because of the
> >> >> OEQ's.
> >> >> I am so glad Cisco wants to stop the cheaters out there, but after 5
> >> years
> >> >> on and off of going through this stuff to pass this lab, failing on 1
> >> >> simple
> >> >> question that is not EXACTLY what they are asking for is absolutely
> out
> >> of
> >> >> control.
> >> >>
> >> >> I will be back, but to all who take this lab exam, you might as well
> >> chalk
> >> >> it up to LUCK more than skill or knowledge. I hate what this exam has
> >> come
> >> >> to. It really has no relevance to anything with those questions.
> >> >>
> >> >> Best of LUCK to anyone who takes the lab, because you will need it!
> >> >>
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