Re: OT: Why do about 4000+ CCIEs of 25,000 CCIE's...

That's my original query. Of course since they are gone they probably are
not here.

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 6:56 AM, Alexei Monastyrnyi <alexeim73_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> As time passes there are always people who will disengage from being an
> active CCIE for one or another reason. And there will be actually more of
> them in the future since more people are passing the lab now than 7-10 years
> ago. I think the process is quite natural.
>
> I am actually more interested to hear where do the gap numbers go, like
> 1025 being the first one and publicly saying there are around 20K CCIEs,
> with real numbers above 25K... where have them 4K gap numbers gone to? :-)
>
> A.
>
>
> ccievoice1 wrote:
>
>> Another example, my ex-boss whose CCIE#3XXX already expired his CCIE
>> status
>> 4~ 5 years back. He didn't need to have the CCIE# active as he is now
>> running his own consulting business which earning much much more than
>> working in Cisco Gold Partner as CCIE previously.
>>
>> I believe there are many similar cases out there as well. Life need to
>> goes
>> on. And at every stages we have different needs and we do evolve :)
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Good point Anthony and very wisely said.
>>>
>>> I'm engaged in a dialogue about this and maybe it will make it to the
>>> public
>>> soon wnough.
>>>
>>> I think we have a few examples of this kind of thing from at least a few
>>> former CCIE's.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I think it would be fairly interesting to hear from former CCIEs that
>>>> let
>>>> their cert expire. I heard that Jeff Doyle did (Cisco Press).
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, I think we have about a 0% chance of finding them reading
>>>> this post on GS.
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
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>>>>
>>>> On Sep 4, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Darby Weaver wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Anyone care to speculate why 4000+ CCIE's don't think simply taking the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> CCIE
>>>>> Written again is worth all the effort they spent to get the CCIE in the
>>>>> first place and maintain it?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to ask the question?
>>>>>
>>>>> A few CCIE's are asking me now and and a lot of CCIE's have asked me
>>>>> overall
>>>>> over the last few years - "How to get employed after attaining the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> CCIE?"
>>>
>>>
>>>> Others seem to have an issue getting that raise or advancement.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the ROI not there for about 1 in 6 CCIE's?
>>>>>
>>>>> Now while most of us say we seek the cert for personal reasons.... and
>>>>> this
>>>>> may be true since 5 in 6 are staying certified...
>>>>>
>>>>> But consider this:
>>>>>
>>>>> About 6,000 CCIE's and maybe even 9,000 or so are newly certified -
>>>>> meaning
>>>>> thay have yet to have to recertify or may be in Suspended Mode for not
>>>>> certifying in time and have a year to catch up...
>>>>>
>>>>> so...
>>>>>
>>>>> Now we have about 4000 or 16000 CCIE's who choose to let their CCIE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> wither
>>>
>>>
>>>> an die....
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to ask why those 25% think the CCIE not worth the effort of
>>>>> maintaining after such an effort?
>>>>>
>>>>> Now before we start... I guess a lot of people will chime in
>>>>> anonymously...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's great we are on the Internet.
>>>>>
>>>>> But if a fomer CCIE (verifiable) were to chime in on why he/she did not
>>>>> think the cert worth maintaining... that would be interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can it be that many are just not finding jobs with the CCIE or just
>>>>> plainly
>>>>> have not seen the value...
>>>>>
>>>>> It costs most people at least $10-30k to achieve and 1-3+ years to
>>>>> attain...
>>>>>
>>>>> Not worth spending 3-6 months to prep for the CCIE Written and pay the
>>>>> $3xx.00 to maintain the certification?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not?
>>>>>
>>>>> Did all of them just burnout, retire, or just die?
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems like a high number for all three of those reasons combined.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course everyone has their own reasons....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just curious...
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>> Network Engineer
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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