Re: OT: Why do about 4000+ CCIEs of 25,000 CCIE's...

Hello Team,
I had my cert, and then it expired, I was really busy working on high
level projects that required much of my time. The reason my expired,
is the fact that I had neither the time nor the expense. Unless you
work for a Cisco partner that pays for your training, and they have a
discount for the cisco product with your ccie number. Again its an
expensive certification where the costs keep rising each year, unless
your employer pays for it, really no reason to recertify on your own
expense. my two cents.
Sincerely,
John

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Wayne Lawson<groupstudy_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:
> No - He started his own company, "Jeff Doyle and Associates" - Google it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244
> Founder & President - IPexpert, Inc.
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> On Sep 4, 2009, at 4:53 PM, <Keegan.Holley_at_sungard.com> wrote:
>
>> Doesn't Doyle work at Juniper now?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
>> Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com>
>> To:
>> Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>
>> Cc:
>> ccie forum <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> Date:
>> 09/04/2009 10:05 AM
>> Subject:
>> Re: OT: Why do about 4000+ CCIEs of 25,000 CCIE's...
>> Sent by:
>> nobody_at_groupstudy.com
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>>
>>
>> I think it would be fairly interesting to hear from former CCIEs that
>> let their cert expire. I heard that Jeff Doyle did (Cisco Press).
>>
>> Unfortunately, I think we have about a 0% chance of finding them
>> reading this post on GS.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Warmest Regards,
>>
>> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
>> http://www.INE.com
>>
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>> On Sep 4, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Darby Weaver wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone care to speculate why 4000+ CCIE's don't think simply taking
>>> the CCIE
>>> Written again is worth all the effort they spent to get the CCIE in
>>> the
>>> first place and maintain it?
>>>
>>> I have to ask the question?
>>>
>>> A few CCIE's are asking me now and and a lot of CCIE's have asked me
>>> overall
>>> over the last few years - "How to get employed after attaining the
>>> CCIE?"
>>>
>>> Others seem to have an issue getting that raise or advancement.
>>>
>>> Is the ROI not there for about 1 in 6 CCIE's?
>>>
>>> Now while most of us say we seek the cert for personal reasons....
>>> and this
>>> may be true since 5 in 6 are staying certified...
>>>
>>> But consider this:
>>>
>>> About 6,000 CCIE's and maybe even 9,000 or so are newly certified -
>>> meaning
>>> thay have yet to have to recertify or may be in Suspended Mode for not
>>> certifying in time and have a year to catch up...
>>>
>>> so...
>>>
>>> Now we have about 4000 or 16000 CCIE's who choose to let their CCIE
>>> wither
>>> an die....
>>>
>>> I have to ask why those 25% think the CCIE not worth the effort of
>>> maintaining after such an effort?
>>>
>>> Now before we start... I guess a lot of people will chime in
>>> anonymously...
>>>
>>>
>>> That's great we are on the Internet.
>>>
>>> But if a fomer CCIE (verifiable) were to chime in on why he/she did
>>> not
>>> think the cert worth maintaining... that would be interesting.
>>>
>>>
>>> Can it be that many are just not finding jobs with the CCIE or just
>>> plainly
>>> have not seen the value...
>>>
>>> It costs most people at least $10-30k to achieve and 1-3+ years to
>>> attain...
>>>
>>> Not worth spending 3-6 months to prep for the CCIE Written and pay the
>>> $3xx.00 to maintain the certification?
>>>
>>> Why not?
>>>
>>> Did all of them just burnout, retire, or just die?
>>>
>>> Seems like a high number for all three of those reasons combined.
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course everyone has their own reasons....
>>>
>>>
>>> Just curious...
>>>
>>> --
>>> Darby Weaver
>>> Network Engineer
>>>
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>>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
>>>
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