Re: OT: Why do about 4000+ CCIEs of 25,000 CCIE's...

As time passes there are always people who will disengage from being an
active CCIE for one or another reason. And there will be actually more
of them in the future since more people are passing the lab now than
7-10 years ago. I think the process is quite natural.

I am actually more interested to hear where do the gap numbers go, like
1025 being the first one and publicly saying there are around 20K CCIEs,
with real numbers above 25K... where have them 4K gap numbers gone to? :-)

A.

ccievoice1 wrote:
> Another example, my ex-boss whose CCIE#3XXX already expired his CCIE status
> 4~ 5 years back. He didn't need to have the CCIE# active as he is now
> running his own consulting business which earning much much more than
> working in Cisco Gold Partner as CCIE previously.
>
> I believe there are many similar cases out there as well. Life need to goes
> on. And at every stages we have different needs and we do evolve :)
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>> Good point Anthony and very wisely said.
>>
>> I'm engaged in a dialogue about this and maybe it will make it to the
>> public
>> soon wnough.
>>
>> I think we have a few examples of this kind of thing from at least a few
>> former CCIE's.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I think it would be fairly interesting to hear from former CCIEs that let
>>> their cert expire. I heard that Jeff Doyle did (Cisco Press).
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, I think we have about a 0% chance of finding them reading
>>> this post on GS.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>
>>> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
>>> http://www.INE.com <http://www.ine.com/>
>>>
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>>> On Sep 4, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Darby Weaver wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone care to speculate why 4000+ CCIE's don't think simply taking the
>>>
>>>> CCIE
>>>> Written again is worth all the effort they spent to get the CCIE in the
>>>> first place and maintain it?
>>>>
>>>> I have to ask the question?
>>>>
>>>> A few CCIE's are asking me now and and a lot of CCIE's have asked me
>>>> overall
>>>> over the last few years - "How to get employed after attaining the
>>>>
>> CCIE?"
>>
>>>> Others seem to have an issue getting that raise or advancement.
>>>>
>>>> Is the ROI not there for about 1 in 6 CCIE's?
>>>>
>>>> Now while most of us say we seek the cert for personal reasons.... and
>>>> this
>>>> may be true since 5 in 6 are staying certified...
>>>>
>>>> But consider this:
>>>>
>>>> About 6,000 CCIE's and maybe even 9,000 or so are newly certified -
>>>> meaning
>>>> thay have yet to have to recertify or may be in Suspended Mode for not
>>>> certifying in time and have a year to catch up...
>>>>
>>>> so...
>>>>
>>>> Now we have about 4000 or 16000 CCIE's who choose to let their CCIE
>>>>
>> wither
>>
>>>> an die....
>>>>
>>>> I have to ask why those 25% think the CCIE not worth the effort of
>>>> maintaining after such an effort?
>>>>
>>>> Now before we start... I guess a lot of people will chime in
>>>> anonymously...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's great we are on the Internet.
>>>>
>>>> But if a fomer CCIE (verifiable) were to chime in on why he/she did not
>>>> think the cert worth maintaining... that would be interesting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can it be that many are just not finding jobs with the CCIE or just
>>>> plainly
>>>> have not seen the value...
>>>>
>>>> It costs most people at least $10-30k to achieve and 1-3+ years to
>>>> attain...
>>>>
>>>> Not worth spending 3-6 months to prep for the CCIE Written and pay the
>>>> $3xx.00 to maintain the certification?
>>>>
>>>> Why not?
>>>>
>>>> Did all of them just burnout, retire, or just die?
>>>>
>>>> Seems like a high number for all three of those reasons combined.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course everyone has their own reasons....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just curious...
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Darby Weaver
>>>> Network Engineer
>>>>
>>>> 407-802-7394
>>>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
>>>>
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>>
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