Re: Failed Again!!!

Sorry for the typo - meant "they're not perfect, "nor" jam packed....

Sorry - it's Friday - and I've got my mind on watching football all
weekend! ;-)

Regards,

Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244
Founder & President - IPexpert, Inc.
Mailto: wlawson_at_ipexpert.com
Mobile: +1.810.334.1564

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On Sep 4, 2009, at 4:27 PM, netwkengr_at_gmail.com wrote:

> Right on
>
> Very nice
>
>
> E
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Group Study <groupstudy_at_ipexpert.com>
>
> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 16:15:13
> To: Richard Lowton<lowton_at_packetfreak.net>
> Cc: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Subject: Re: Failed Again!!!
>
>
> Gang -
> First of all - please don't consider this "spam" or
> "marketing". I've
> been asked by nearly a dozen people today to post the URLs, so here
> they
> are:
>
> IPexpert's Free R&S OEQ Quizzer: http://tinyurl.com/IPexpert-Free-RS-OEQ
>
> IPexpert's Free Voice OEQ Quizzer:
> http://tinyurl.com/IPexpert-Free-Voice-OEQ
>
> They're not perfect, now "jam packed full of questions" - but
> they're a
> good, free resource. When our new site launches (days away) - we
> will be
> enhancing these quizzers and will continue to add questions and
> correct any
> errors on a monthly basis or as needed. (and they'll continue to be
> free!)
>
> Thanks - Wayne
>
> Wayne Lawson - CCIE #5244
> Founder & President - IPexpert, Inc.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Richard Lowton
> <lowton_at_packetfreak.net>wrote:
>
>> Hi Dennis,
>>
>> I'm really sorry you failed on the OEQ. I passed on 3rd attempt and
>> had OEQ
>> twice (first sitting was before OEQ) so I know what you are talking
>> about.
>> The proctor asks that answers are short so we do our best right? My
>> second
>> attempt score report showed I got 100% in OEQ and I cannot say they
>> were
>> too
>> difficult at all taking around 10mins or so if that. The third
>> attempt I
>> didn't get the score but I guess I got at least 3/4 and again the
>> questions
>> felt trivial and were dashed out in about 10 mins again - one
>> answer was
>> just two words long.
>>
>> I feel people must be getting a very very wide range of questions
>> since I
>> took the OEQ twice and got some pretty clearly worded CCNP level
>> questions
>> every time and so for me you must be very unlucky indeed.
>>
>> I recall worrying about these OEQ's a lot and thinking "If I get
>> two or
>> more
>> that I think I got wrong then maybe I'll just leave and go find a
>> bar". In
>> the end, a few weeks before the lab, I pulled out a very very old
>> book from
>> my shelf and not wishing to plug too much, Anthony Sequeria's CCIE
>> Flash
>> Cards gave me two of the four answers I needed this last time around!
>> Thanks
>> Anthony!
>>
>> Cheers and the very best of luck for next time (luck seems to be
>> the order
>> of the day here).
>> Rich
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Andy Mueller
>> <andymueller713_at_gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Its almost 5 o'clock somewhere, thankfully! Lets have a beer and
>>> enjoy
>> the
>>> weekend. Seriously, thanks to everybody trying to help out. Keep
>>> trying,
>>> keep moving forward. It is important.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Terry Vinson <consultant_at_tnclimited.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> At the risk of having to pay Narbik a $.25 royalty...
>>>> "unbelievable!!!"
>>>>
>>>> If half this combined effort was directed toward preparation it
>> wouldn't
>>> be
>>>> an issue.
>>>>
>>>> I failed the OEQ too. I got asked a question I didn't know the
>>>> answer
>> to,
>>>> last I checked its an exam. Best practice, not best practice.
>>>> What does
>>> any
>>>> of that have to do with reality. The reality is its a hurdle. You
>>>> jump
>>> you
>>>> make it, "great!". You miss. You fall! Get up rub some dirt in the
>> wound
>>>> you'll be fine! Take another shot.
>>>>
>>>> Or QUIT the darn thing isn't necessary anyway according to half the
>> posts
>>>> I've read today! Just stop generating spam!
>>>>
>>>> Terry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rob Phillips wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> To me the 5.6 Million may be pocket change for a company that has
>>>>> billions in sales every year. It is a lot for an individual but
>>>>> for a
>>>>> company the size of Cisco it is a drop in the hat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cisco says they change the test to meet industry needs. An
>>>>> example is
>>>>> the new troubleshooting section. I read somewhere when it first
>>>>> was
>>>>> announced that they did that based on what they learned from
>>>>> those who
>>>>> are already CCIE's. If that is true then maybe the CCIE's that
>>>>> are
>>>>> already out there would have the better shot at having the OEQ
>> disappear
>>>>> one day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at it this way. Right now you fail the test just on the
>>>>> OEQ's.
>>>>> Cisco may be caulking it up as that they may have caught a
>>>>> possible
>>>>> brain dump user and that the OEQ are doing their job. Cisco has
>>>>> no
>> way
>>>>> of knowing if that is the case or not. What are the odds of
>>>>> really
>>>>> judging the knowledge of any person on 4 questions? Now assume
>>>>> you
>> went
>>>>> to a bootcamp. Who in their right mind would even consider
>>>>> reading a
>>>>> brain dump of a boot camp they are going to. If you spend the
>>>>> money
>> to
>>>>> go to one you are there to learn. The CCIE's who teach the
>>>>> class may
>>>>> get a good idea to how well the candidate really is prepared. I
>>>>> have
>>>>> read several posts by instructors who said that they felt like
>>>>> the guy
>>>>> was there at the end of the bootcamp but felt sorry that the
>>>>> failed
>>>>> based on the OEQ's. If those instructors sent that info back to
>>>>> Cisco
>>>>> then maybe they would see how many people it is really hurting.
>>>>> It is
>>>>> very unlikely Cisco would change anyone's results but with
>>>>> enough of
>>>>> these emails to Cisco then maybe they will look at the real
>>>>> impact of
>>>>> adding these questions and see how many failures are caused by
>>>>> them
>> that
>>>>> are not a brain dump users.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are lucky enough to have your employer to pay for the
>>>>> training
>>>>> and lab then they too can send their feelings through their Cisco
>> reps.
>>>>> Enough customers and resellers talk back to Cisco then that too
>>>>> is a
>>>>> help.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's my 2 cents on the subject.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>>>>> Behalf
>> Of
>>>>> netwkengr_at_gmail.com
>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 1:26 PM
>>>>> To: Narbik Kocharians; Darby Weaver
>>>>> Cc: Raghav Bhargava; Mark Matters; Roy Waterman; G2; Dennis Worth;
>>>>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Failed Again!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> 40000 x 1400 - 5.6 million you think that would make a point :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> E
>>>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 11:21:10 To: Darby Weaver<
>> darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>
>>>>> Cc: Raghav Bhargava<raghavbhargava12_at_gmail.com>; Mark
>>>>> Matters<markccie_at_gmail.com>; Roy Waterman<roy.waterman_at_gmail.com>;
>>>>> G2<farawayguy_at_gmail.com>; Dennis Worth<dennis.worth_at_gmail.com>;
>>>>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com><ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Failed Again!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we are getting 2 excited here, i had 2 people from KL in
>>>>> Malaysia
>>>>> pass yesterday. So its NOT what some of you guys are thinking.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Darby Weaver
>>>>> <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmm....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stop working on the lab?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And then what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have the 40,000+ Engineers on this list start working on
>>>>>> developing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> actual
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Best Practices?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Step by Step instructions on how and why to build a network
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> effeciently and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> effectively...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where's the fun in that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who would buy a certification based on Best/Leading Practices?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmm....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe this is a sign of the times...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CompTIA Certified Internetworking Engineer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The CCIE of tomorrow...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Raghav Bhargava
>>>>>> <raghavbhargava12_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But Mark, will it not mean that we all are incompetent.... I
>>>>>>> mean I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> am
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> saying that I like OEQ but if we stop trying then I don think
>>>>>>> we are
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> any good. Maybe I could be wrong..
>>>>>>> Raghav
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Mark Matters <markccie_at_gmail.com
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is one way to solve this OEQ issue. Stop taking the lab.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> companies start crying that they can not find any CCIE's out
>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> then
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Cisco will cut the non sense right away and start producing more
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CCIE's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cisco has a false sense of how things are since all the seats
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> taken.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People have filled the seats to get a crack at the old exam V3.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Once it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> goes
>>>>>>>> V4 watch and see how things go then. I expect to see lot's of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> even bothering. No one is going to throw their money away on a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> chance
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> getting 4 easy questions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Forget the money what about the time. People who study for
>>>>>>>> the lab
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> life when studying. Every moment is dedicated to the lab. Time
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> not get back.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Once this affects cisco then they will change.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Darby Weaver
>>>>>>> Network Engineer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 407-802-7394
>>>>>>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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