Re: Failed Again!!!

Hi Dennis,

I'm really sorry you failed on the OEQ. I passed on 3rd attempt and had OEQ
twice (first sitting was before OEQ) so I know what you are talking about.
The proctor asks that answers are short so we do our best right? My second
attempt score report showed I got 100% in OEQ and I cannot say they were too
difficult at all taking around 10mins or so if that. The third attempt I
didn't get the score but I guess I got at least 3/4 and again the questions
felt trivial and were dashed out in about 10 mins again - one answer was
just two words long.

I feel people must be getting a very very wide range of questions since I
took the OEQ twice and got some pretty clearly worded CCNP level questions
every time and so for me you must be very unlucky indeed.

I recall worrying about these OEQ's a lot and thinking "If I get two or more
that I think I got wrong then maybe I'll just leave and go find a bar". In
the end, a few weeks before the lab, I pulled out a very very old book from
my shelf and not wishing to plug too much, Anthony Sequeria's CCIE Flash
Cards gave me two of the four answers I needed this last time around! Thanks
Anthony!

Cheers and the very best of luck for next time (luck seems to be the order
of the day here).
Rich

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Andy Mueller <andymueller713_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Its almost 5 o'clock somewhere, thankfully! Lets have a beer and enjoy the
> weekend. Seriously, thanks to everybody trying to help out. Keep trying,
> keep moving forward. It is important.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Terry Vinson <consultant_at_tnclimited.com
> >wrote:
>
> > At the risk of having to pay Narbik a $.25 royalty... "unbelievable!!!"
> >
> > If half this combined effort was directed toward preparation it wouldn't
> be
> > an issue.
> >
> > I failed the OEQ too. I got asked a question I didn't know the answer to,
> > last I checked its an exam. Best practice, not best practice. What does
> any
> > of that have to do with reality. The reality is its a hurdle. You jump
> you
> > make it, "great!". You miss. You fall! Get up rub some dirt in the wound
> > you'll be fine! Take another shot.
> >
> > Or QUIT the darn thing isn't necessary anyway according to half the posts
> > I've read today! Just stop generating spam!
> >
> > Terry
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob Phillips wrote:
> >
> >> To me the 5.6 Million may be pocket change for a company that has
> >> billions in sales every year. It is a lot for an individual but for a
> >> company the size of Cisco it is a drop in the hat.
> >>
> >> Cisco says they change the test to meet industry needs. An example is
> >> the new troubleshooting section. I read somewhere when it first was
> >> announced that they did that based on what they learned from those who
> >> are already CCIE's. If that is true then maybe the CCIE's that are
> >> already out there would have the better shot at having the OEQ disappear
> >> one day.
> >>
> >> Look at it this way. Right now you fail the test just on the OEQ's.
> >> Cisco may be caulking it up as that they may have caught a possible
> >> brain dump user and that the OEQ are doing their job. Cisco has no way
> >> of knowing if that is the case or not. What are the odds of really
> >> judging the knowledge of any person on 4 questions? Now assume you went
> >> to a bootcamp. Who in their right mind would even consider reading a
> >> brain dump of a boot camp they are going to. If you spend the money to
> >> go to one you are there to learn. The CCIE's who teach the class may
> >> get a good idea to how well the candidate really is prepared. I have
> >> read several posts by instructors who said that they felt like the guy
> >> was there at the end of the bootcamp but felt sorry that the failed
> >> based on the OEQ's. If those instructors sent that info back to Cisco
> >> then maybe they would see how many people it is really hurting. It is
> >> very unlikely Cisco would change anyone's results but with enough of
> >> these emails to Cisco then maybe they will look at the real impact of
> >> adding these questions and see how many failures are caused by them that
> >> are not a brain dump users.
> >>
> >> If you are lucky enough to have your employer to pay for the training
> >> and lab then they too can send their feelings through their Cisco reps.
> >> Enough customers and resellers talk back to Cisco then that too is a
> >> help.
> >>
> >> That's my 2 cents on the subject.
> >>
> >> Rob
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> >> netwkengr_at_gmail.com
> >> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 1:26 PM
> >> To: Narbik Kocharians; Darby Weaver
> >> Cc: Raghav Bhargava; Mark Matters; Roy Waterman; G2; Dennis Worth;
> >> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >> Subject: Re: Failed Again!!!
> >>
> >> 40000 x 1400 - 5.6 million you think that would make a point :)
> >>
> >>
> >> E
> >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 11:21:10 To: Darby Weaver<darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>
> >> Cc: Raghav Bhargava<raghavbhargava12_at_gmail.com>; Mark
> >> Matters<markccie_at_gmail.com>; Roy Waterman<roy.waterman_at_gmail.com>;
> >> G2<farawayguy_at_gmail.com>; Dennis Worth<dennis.worth_at_gmail.com>;
> >> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com><ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >> Subject: Re: Failed Again!!!
> >>
> >>
> >> All,
> >>
> >> I think we are getting 2 excited here, i had 2 people from KL in
> >> Malaysia
> >> pass yesterday. So its NOT what some of you guys are thinking.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Darby Weaver
> >> <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hmm....
> >>>
> >>> Stop working on the lab?
> >>>
> >>> And then what?
> >>>
> >>> Have the 40,000+ Engineers on this list start working on developing
> >>>
> >>>
> >> actual
> >>
> >>
> >>> Best Practices?
> >>>
> >>> Step by Step instructions on how and why to build a network
> >>>
> >>>
> >> effeciently and
> >>
> >>
> >>> effectively...
> >>>
> >>> Where's the fun in that?
> >>>
> >>> Who would buy a certification based on Best/Leading Practices?
> >>>
> >>> Hmmm....
> >>>
> >>> Maybe this is a sign of the times...
> >>>
> >>> CompTIA Certified Internetworking Engineer
> >>>
> >>> The CCIE of tomorrow...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Raghav Bhargava
> >>> <raghavbhargava12_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> But Mark, will it not mean that we all are incompetent.... I mean I
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> am
> >>
> >>
> >>> not
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> saying that I like OEQ but if we stop trying then I don think we are
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> doing
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> any good. Maybe I could be wrong..
> >>>> Raghav
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Mark Matters <markccie_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> There is one way to solve this OEQ issue. Stop taking the lab.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> When the
> >>
> >>
> >>> companies start crying that they can not find any CCIE's out there
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> then
> >>
> >>
> >>> Cisco will cut the non sense right away and start producing more
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> CCIE's.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Cisco has a false sense of how things are since all the seats are
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> taken.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> People have filled the seats to get a crack at the old exam V3.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Once it
> >>
> >>
> >>> goes
> >>>>> V4 watch and see how things go then. I expect to see lot's of
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> people
> >>
> >>
> >>> not
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> even bothering. No one is going to throw their money away on a
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> chance
> >>
> >>
> >>> of
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> getting 4 easy questions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Forget the money what about the time. People who study for the lab
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> have
> >>
> >>
> >>> no
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> life when studying. Every moment is dedicated to the lab. Time
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> that you
> >>
> >>
> >>> will
> >>>>> not get back.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Once this affects cisco then they will change.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Darby Weaver
> >>>> Network Engineer
> >>>>
> >>>> 407-802-7394
> >>>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
> >>>>
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