Re: Failed Again!!!

Gang -
     First of all - please don't consider this "spam" or "marketing". I've
been asked by nearly a dozen people today to post the URLs, so here they
are:

IPexpert's Free R&S OEQ Quizzer: http://tinyurl.com/IPexpert-Free-RS-OEQ

IPexpert's Free Voice OEQ Quizzer:
http://tinyurl.com/IPexpert-Free-Voice-OEQ

     They're not perfect, now "jam packed full of questions" - but they're a
good, free resource. When our new site launches (days away) - we will be
enhancing these quizzers and will continue to add questions and correct any
errors on a monthly basis or as needed. (and they'll continue to be free!)

Thanks - Wayne

Wayne Lawson - CCIE #5244
Founder & President - IPexpert, Inc.

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Richard Lowton <lowton_at_packetfreak.net>wrote:

> Hi Dennis,
>
> I'm really sorry you failed on the OEQ. I passed on 3rd attempt and had OEQ
> twice (first sitting was before OEQ) so I know what you are talking about.
> The proctor asks that answers are short so we do our best right? My second
> attempt score report showed I got 100% in OEQ and I cannot say they were
> too
> difficult at all taking around 10mins or so if that. The third attempt I
> didn't get the score but I guess I got at least 3/4 and again the questions
> felt trivial and were dashed out in about 10 mins again - one answer was
> just two words long.
>
> I feel people must be getting a very very wide range of questions since I
> took the OEQ twice and got some pretty clearly worded CCNP level questions
> every time and so for me you must be very unlucky indeed.
>
> I recall worrying about these OEQ's a lot and thinking "If I get two or
> more
> that I think I got wrong then maybe I'll just leave and go find a bar". In
> the end, a few weeks before the lab, I pulled out a very very old book from
> my shelf and not wishing to plug too much, Anthony Sequeria's CCIE Flash
> Cards gave me two of the four answers I needed this last time around!
> Thanks
> Anthony!
>
> Cheers and the very best of luck for next time (luck seems to be the order
> of the day here).
> Rich
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Andy Mueller <andymueller713_at_gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Its almost 5 o'clock somewhere, thankfully! Lets have a beer and enjoy
> the
> > weekend. Seriously, thanks to everybody trying to help out. Keep trying,
> > keep moving forward. It is important.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Terry Vinson <consultant_at_tnclimited.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > At the risk of having to pay Narbik a $.25 royalty... "unbelievable!!!"
> > >
> > > If half this combined effort was directed toward preparation it
> wouldn't
> > be
> > > an issue.
> > >
> > > I failed the OEQ too. I got asked a question I didn't know the answer
> to,
> > > last I checked its an exam. Best practice, not best practice. What does
> > any
> > > of that have to do with reality. The reality is its a hurdle. You jump
> > you
> > > make it, "great!". You miss. You fall! Get up rub some dirt in the
> wound
> > > you'll be fine! Take another shot.
> > >
> > > Or QUIT the darn thing isn't necessary anyway according to half the
> posts
> > > I've read today! Just stop generating spam!
> > >
> > > Terry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Rob Phillips wrote:
> > >
> > >> To me the 5.6 Million may be pocket change for a company that has
> > >> billions in sales every year. It is a lot for an individual but for a
> > >> company the size of Cisco it is a drop in the hat.
> > >>
> > >> Cisco says they change the test to meet industry needs. An example is
> > >> the new troubleshooting section. I read somewhere when it first was
> > >> announced that they did that based on what they learned from those who
> > >> are already CCIE's. If that is true then maybe the CCIE's that are
> > >> already out there would have the better shot at having the OEQ
> disappear
> > >> one day.
> > >>
> > >> Look at it this way. Right now you fail the test just on the OEQ's.
> > >> Cisco may be caulking it up as that they may have caught a possible
> > >> brain dump user and that the OEQ are doing their job. Cisco has no
> way
> > >> of knowing if that is the case or not. What are the odds of really
> > >> judging the knowledge of any person on 4 questions? Now assume you
> went
> > >> to a bootcamp. Who in their right mind would even consider reading a
> > >> brain dump of a boot camp they are going to. If you spend the money
> to
> > >> go to one you are there to learn. The CCIE's who teach the class may
> > >> get a good idea to how well the candidate really is prepared. I have
> > >> read several posts by instructors who said that they felt like the guy
> > >> was there at the end of the bootcamp but felt sorry that the failed
> > >> based on the OEQ's. If those instructors sent that info back to Cisco
> > >> then maybe they would see how many people it is really hurting. It is
> > >> very unlikely Cisco would change anyone's results but with enough of
> > >> these emails to Cisco then maybe they will look at the real impact of
> > >> adding these questions and see how many failures are caused by them
> that
> > >> are not a brain dump users.
> > >>
> > >> If you are lucky enough to have your employer to pay for the training
> > >> and lab then they too can send their feelings through their Cisco
> reps.
> > >> Enough customers and resellers talk back to Cisco then that too is a
> > >> help.
> > >>
> > >> That's my 2 cents on the subject.
> > >>
> > >> Rob
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > >> netwkengr_at_gmail.com
> > >> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 1:26 PM
> > >> To: Narbik Kocharians; Darby Weaver
> > >> Cc: Raghav Bhargava; Mark Matters; Roy Waterman; G2; Dennis Worth;
> > >> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > >> Subject: Re: Failed Again!!!
> > >>
> > >> 40000 x 1400 - 5.6 million you think that would make a point :)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> E
> > >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> > >>
> > >> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 11:21:10 To: Darby Weaver<
> darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>
> > >> Cc: Raghav Bhargava<raghavbhargava12_at_gmail.com>; Mark
> > >> Matters<markccie_at_gmail.com>; Roy Waterman<roy.waterman_at_gmail.com>;
> > >> G2<farawayguy_at_gmail.com>; Dennis Worth<dennis.worth_at_gmail.com>;
> > >> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > >> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com><ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > >> Subject: Re: Failed Again!!!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> All,
> > >>
> > >> I think we are getting 2 excited here, i had 2 people from KL in
> > >> Malaysia
> > >> pass yesterday. So its NOT what some of you guys are thinking.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Darby Weaver
> > >> <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Hmm....
> > >>>
> > >>> Stop working on the lab?
> > >>>
> > >>> And then what?
> > >>>
> > >>> Have the 40,000+ Engineers on this list start working on developing
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> actual
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Best Practices?
> > >>>
> > >>> Step by Step instructions on how and why to build a network
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> effeciently and
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> effectively...
> > >>>
> > >>> Where's the fun in that?
> > >>>
> > >>> Who would buy a certification based on Best/Leading Practices?
> > >>>
> > >>> Hmmm....
> > >>>
> > >>> Maybe this is a sign of the times...
> > >>>
> > >>> CompTIA Certified Internetworking Engineer
> > >>>
> > >>> The CCIE of tomorrow...
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Raghav Bhargava
> > >>> <raghavbhargava12_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> But Mark, will it not mean that we all are incompetent.... I mean I
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>> am
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> not
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> saying that I like OEQ but if we stop trying then I don think we are
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>> doing
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> any good. Maybe I could be wrong..
> > >>>> Raghav
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Mark Matters <markccie_at_gmail.com>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> There is one way to solve this OEQ issue. Stop taking the lab.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> When the
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> companies start crying that they can not find any CCIE's out there
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> then
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Cisco will cut the non sense right away and start producing more
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> CCIE's.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Cisco has a false sense of how things are since all the seats are
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> taken.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> People have filled the seats to get a crack at the old exam V3.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> Once it
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> goes
> > >>>>> V4 watch and see how things go then. I expect to see lot's of
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> people
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> not
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> even bothering. No one is going to throw their money away on a
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> chance
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> of
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> getting 4 easy questions.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Forget the money what about the time. People who study for the lab
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> have
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> no
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> life when studying. Every moment is dedicated to the lab. Time
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> that you
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> will
> > >>>>> not get back.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Once this affects cisco then they will change.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Darby Weaver
> > >>>> Network Engineer
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 407-802-7394
> > >>>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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