Re: Failed Again!!!

Its almost 5 o'clock somewhere, thankfully! Lets have a beer and enjoy the
weekend. Seriously, thanks to everybody trying to help out. Keep trying,
keep moving forward. It is important.

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Terry Vinson <consultant_at_tnclimited.com>wrote:

> At the risk of having to pay Narbik a $.25 royalty... "unbelievable!!!"
>
> If half this combined effort was directed toward preparation it wouldn't be
> an issue.
>
> I failed the OEQ too. I got asked a question I didn't know the answer to,
> last I checked its an exam. Best practice, not best practice. What does any
> of that have to do with reality. The reality is its a hurdle. You jump you
> make it, "great!". You miss. You fall! Get up rub some dirt in the wound
> you'll be fine! Take another shot.
>
> Or QUIT the darn thing isn't necessary anyway according to half the posts
> I've read today! Just stop generating spam!
>
> Terry
>
>
>
> Rob Phillips wrote:
>
>> To me the 5.6 Million may be pocket change for a company that has
>> billions in sales every year. It is a lot for an individual but for a
>> company the size of Cisco it is a drop in the hat.
>>
>> Cisco says they change the test to meet industry needs. An example is
>> the new troubleshooting section. I read somewhere when it first was
>> announced that they did that based on what they learned from those who
>> are already CCIE's. If that is true then maybe the CCIE's that are
>> already out there would have the better shot at having the OEQ disappear
>> one day.
>>
>> Look at it this way. Right now you fail the test just on the OEQ's.
>> Cisco may be caulking it up as that they may have caught a possible
>> brain dump user and that the OEQ are doing their job. Cisco has no way
>> of knowing if that is the case or not. What are the odds of really
>> judging the knowledge of any person on 4 questions? Now assume you went
>> to a bootcamp. Who in their right mind would even consider reading a
>> brain dump of a boot camp they are going to. If you spend the money to
>> go to one you are there to learn. The CCIE's who teach the class may
>> get a good idea to how well the candidate really is prepared. I have
>> read several posts by instructors who said that they felt like the guy
>> was there at the end of the bootcamp but felt sorry that the failed
>> based on the OEQ's. If those instructors sent that info back to Cisco
>> then maybe they would see how many people it is really hurting. It is
>> very unlikely Cisco would change anyone's results but with enough of
>> these emails to Cisco then maybe they will look at the real impact of
>> adding these questions and see how many failures are caused by them that
>> are not a brain dump users.
>>
>> If you are lucky enough to have your employer to pay for the training
>> and lab then they too can send their feelings through their Cisco reps.
>> Enough customers and resellers talk back to Cisco then that too is a
>> help.
>>
>> That's my 2 cents on the subject.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> netwkengr_at_gmail.com
>> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 1:26 PM
>> To: Narbik Kocharians; Darby Weaver
>> Cc: Raghav Bhargava; Mark Matters; Roy Waterman; G2; Dennis Worth;
>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> Subject: Re: Failed Again!!!
>>
>> 40000 x 1400 - 5.6 million you think that would make a point :)
>>
>>
>> E
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>
>> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 11:21:10 To: Darby Weaver<darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>
>> Cc: Raghav Bhargava<raghavbhargava12_at_gmail.com>; Mark
>> Matters<markccie_at_gmail.com>; Roy Waterman<roy.waterman_at_gmail.com>;
>> G2<farawayguy_at_gmail.com>; Dennis Worth<dennis.worth_at_gmail.com>;
>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com><ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> Subject: Re: Failed Again!!!
>>
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I think we are getting 2 excited here, i had 2 people from KL in
>> Malaysia
>> pass yesterday. So its NOT what some of you guys are thinking.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Darby Weaver
>> <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hmm....
>>>
>>> Stop working on the lab?
>>>
>>> And then what?
>>>
>>> Have the 40,000+ Engineers on this list start working on developing
>>>
>>>
>> actual
>>
>>
>>> Best Practices?
>>>
>>> Step by Step instructions on how and why to build a network
>>>
>>>
>> effeciently and
>>
>>
>>> effectively...
>>>
>>> Where's the fun in that?
>>>
>>> Who would buy a certification based on Best/Leading Practices?
>>>
>>> Hmmm....
>>>
>>> Maybe this is a sign of the times...
>>>
>>> CompTIA Certified Internetworking Engineer
>>>
>>> The CCIE of tomorrow...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Raghav Bhargava
>>> <raghavbhargava12_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> But Mark, will it not mean that we all are incompetent.... I mean I
>>>>
>>>>
>>> am
>>
>>
>>> not
>>>
>>>
>>>> saying that I like OEQ but if we stop trying then I don think we are
>>>>
>>>>
>>> doing
>>>
>>>
>>>> any good. Maybe I could be wrong..
>>>> Raghav
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Mark Matters <markccie_at_gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> There is one way to solve this OEQ issue. Stop taking the lab.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> When the
>>
>>
>>> companies start crying that they can not find any CCIE's out there
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> then
>>
>>
>>> Cisco will cut the non sense right away and start producing more
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> CCIE's.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Cisco has a false sense of how things are since all the seats are
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> taken.
>>>
>>>
>>>> People have filled the seats to get a crack at the old exam V3.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Once it
>>
>>
>>> goes
>>>>> V4 watch and see how things go then. I expect to see lot's of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> people
>>
>>
>>> not
>>>
>>>
>>>> even bothering. No one is going to throw their money away on a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> chance
>>
>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>
>>>> getting 4 easy questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Forget the money what about the time. People who study for the lab
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> have
>>
>>
>>> no
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> life when studying. Every moment is dedicated to the lab. Time
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> that you
>>
>>
>>> will
>>>>> not get back.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once this affects cisco then they will change.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Darby Weaver
>>>> Network Engineer
>>>>
>>>> 407-802-7394
>>>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
>>>>
>>>>
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