Re: CCIE salary in Pakistan

Sorry I got my country mixed up.

But still only 73 in one whole country is kind of sparse.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:53 AM, Khurram Noor <
engr.khurramnoor_at_googlemail.com> wrote:

> The count of 73 CCIE is for Pakistan, not for India. India has 666 CCIEs in
> a population of 1.07 billion. i like your concept and i believe a few more
> including me would like to work with you if you start this in Pakistan.
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> On 8/27/09, Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Ok
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>> By request...
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>> Since I've had the good fortune to speak to the two people who know
>> whether
>> anyone can cheat on the CCIE, what is considered cheating and conversely
>> what is not (hint: integrity and identification is the key), and finally
>> how
>> it all kinda adds up in the longs run...
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>> If you only got 73 CCIE's in one country the size of India... and can't
>> find
>> suitable employment as a CCIE, not to be mean... but I have to ask...
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>> 1. What does your resume look like?
>> 2. What does your experience look like.
>> 3. Cisco is probably not worried about 73 CCIE's taking the CCIE and 3
>> score
>> and a little more devalueing the industry... Nope.
>> 4. Do you get the interview at all?
>> 5. Do you know Cisco has TAC in India and I'm sure they are hiring
>> well-qualified job applicants?
>> 6. Consulting has got to pay... I know sub-CCIE's in the USA doing remote
>> work in India - a few actually... and if they are employed and earning USA
>> Dollars.... at a rate that is attractive to partners (say $100-200+ per
>> hour) then I have a hard time believing that 73 CCIE's have saturated a
>> market of millions...
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>> 7. If you guys are truly having this much trouble - lemme know... maybe I
>> can start a company in India with these CCIE's and service clients
>> anywhere
>> else in the USA... Promise you - I can market you and pay you prevailing
>> wage or better for part-time work or full-time project work...
>>
>> By the way - this has all the makings of a genuine offer... for CCIE's
>> mostly anywhere... FYI - I was able to sell my MCSE for $125 per hour on
>> a
>> factor of 3... per hour. I'm sure I can manuever a CCIE a few ways to
>> Sunday and I love the "Sun Does Not Set On My CCIE's Concept". In short,
>> I
>> should be able to get you paid and keep you paid... even if we gotta go
>> ghetto...
>>
>>
>> If anyone thinks earning a CCIE does not increase one's know-how in this
>> world that I live and work in... we need to talk especially if a CCIE has
>> doubts... maybe someone's suffering from premature Alzheimer's... We can
>> fix that.
>>
>> No track offers more recognition or deserves it more than the
>> CCIE. Simple
>> as that... and that's about the sum of it...
>>
>> Not sure how to say more about it.
>>
>> Tell ya what at any company where there is a CCIE, where does the buck
>> stop?
>>
>> Case closed.
>>
>> Yes, CIO's, Prinicpals, Director's andd others earn more than a CCIE does
>> typically or at least the same...
>>
>> Hey... most won't have a certification at all. Some may not even have a
>> degree... It's just a cookie and it crumbles...
>>
>> I've been in the industry for better than a decade and a half in the
>> private
>> industry not counting military time and whatever I did there and I cannot
>> explain it either.
>>
>> Sure CISSP's and PMP's get paid if they get REALLY LUCKY...
>>
>> CCIE's get paid on a bad day with the measles or the mumps... and a sawed
>> off foot.... to ummm... boot.
>>
>> Sure there are about thousands of CCIE's.... so don't migrate to China....
>>
>> However in the USA, we are starving for CCIE's and we lost one from the
>> monthly totals last month... until H* U* gets time to play catch
>> up. Then
>> we break even again...
>>
>> But hey 4000-5000+ CCIE's only go so far.
>>
>> Let's face it most work for Cisco and how many are trainers?
>>
>> Maybe a third or a fourth actually work for employers... and some few
>> actually perform true consulting...
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>> On attaining a second or even third or more CCIE...
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>> The more I think of this the more I think it is pointless.
>>
>> People recognize the CCIE.... and they don't necessarily recognize the
>> specialization (outside of partners).
>>
>> What was the point?
>>
>> Yes get trained and yes get the skills and even yes build a lab to get
>> your
>> stuff working...
>>
>> Wasting valuable time that could be spent earning $$$... no point to it.
>> Do you want to be a consumer all your life or a producer?
>>
>> What was the point again?
>>
>> Again, you guys got my email - if you need to earn dome ducks... let me
>> know...
>>
>>
>> Juniper does not excite me so much...
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>> But Juniper hires.... CCIE's.
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>> Go figure?
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>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Divin Mathew John <divinjohn_at_gmail.com
>> >wrote:
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>> > "Frankly speaking CCIE is not a dream certification now. It is easy to
>> > achieve using different materials available on web sites (everybody know
>> > about it)."
>> > But the Question still remains.. After all the shortcuts to
>> > certification..is the certificate really worth it? Does it add value to
>> your
>> > current know-how!
>> >
>> > Ponder over it for sometime.!
>> >
>> > I hope the controversy-NINJA Darby drops in !
>>
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