Re: CCIE salary in Pakistan

Some guys had to break into the mold:

1. The first CCIE I know (I know him personally as in in-person) to make 50k
worked on a NOC for AT&T's Help Desk or something along those lines and
studies like a monk to get his first CCIE. He took a job with a CLEC or
wannabe and worked like a slave for $50k and then got his second CCIE in
Security. He switched jobs to 2 more companies and now is the "guy" for a
Cisco Partner and last time I checked was probably around $125k or so.

2. The next $50k CCIE was from the 3rd world and made the jump to the States
and did his thing - he was very experienced in some technlogies and a master
of the bit. He made the most of his indentured servitude and again he
prospered but I think he left the US for good.

3. The $60k CCIE worked for a company and apparently just needed to develop
some skills and experience. He left and since I did not know him personally
I don't know how he's doing now.

Keep in mind these are CCIE's in the USA over the Past 6 years that I've
known or in the 3rd case know directly of, including their rates and
demographics.

Both cases 1 and 2 were disadvantaged by the need of the Green Card and so
that should not be representative of what most CCIE's are doing.

However, I know a few CCIE's, especially overseas, who have been unemployed
as a CCIE and quite frankly I have a hard time with this knowledge but I'm
no expert in every market around the world either.

Hey I gotta get back to the racks... later...

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Paul Dardinski <pauld_at_marshallcomm.com>wrote:

> Well, last I checked CCIE requires a fanatical level of work. To do it
> to make pretty much what a trucker makes....I can't even imagine.
>
> But to each his own indeed.
>
> Paul (#16842 RS/Sec)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Kiefer [mailto:martin_at_kiefer.dk]
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:37 PM
> To: Paul Dardinski; 'Darby Weaver'
> Cc: 'GS CCIE-Lab'
> Subject: RE: CCIE salary in Pakistan
>
> Why not?
>
> It is not all about the money, if you are living in an area where
> payments
> generally are low, but you have your family and friends and does not
> want to
> move from that area, maybe then, you are satisfied with a salary of
> 50-60K?
>
> Remember the costs of living in an area like that, are just as low as
> the
> salaries.
>
> /Martin
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Dardinski [mailto:pauld_at_marshallcomm.com]
> Sent: 24. august 2009 22:29
> To: Darby Weaver; Martin Kiefer
> Cc: GS CCIE-Lab
> Subject: RE: CCIE salary in Pakistan
>
> $50k for a ccie in the US? Wow, I simply cannot imagine that.
>
> Paul (#16842 RS/Sec)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Darby Weaver
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 3:36 PM
> To: Martin Kiefer
> Cc: GS CCIE-Lab
> Subject: Re: CCIE salary in Pakistan
>
> Are you sure?
>
> I know of CCIE's in the USA who have settled for 50k, 60k, (three
> different
> CCIE's in those cases for three different employers).
>
> I know of CCIE's who work for $100k - $125k pretty regularly in the USA.
>
> I've heard of others who beat the $135-200k range.
>
> I know of CCIE's on contract working for $125-175.00 per hour.
>
> I recall a CCIE doing some $10k per day.
>
>
> So to say one should know for sure is a little cavalier.
>
> The truth is the rate is negotiable and depends on experience. That
> experience may have little or nothing to do with the job and a lot more
> to
> do with Poker or Blackjack than anything else.
>
> Finally, what are you willing to work for in the market given the
> conditions
> as they are presented. What will you do if you land in a scenario you
> cannot live with and must leave?
>
> Is the CCIE able to undertake risks of self-employment? Or does the
> CCIE
> need the job-security and certainty of a Fortune 500 company (which may
> not
> be very certain any way).
>
> I guess it all depends.
>
> I guess the CCIE Candidate could hack around a bit and find out what one
> needs to know in advance.
>
> Network with your peers in-person and on-line.
>
> Get a feel for things and get paid.
>
> Nothing is worse than settling for $x and loving the job but finding out
> your peers or not-quite-peers are better compensated than you are.
> That's
> frustrating to the max.
>
> Know your market. Market your knowledge.
>
> HINT: Companies seed resumes to feel out the market.
>
> Maybe you should do the same with companies when you are not in the
> market.
>
>
> Knowledge is Power.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Martin Kiefer <martin_at_kiefer.dk> wrote:
>
> > The quick answer should be 42.
> >
> > On the other hand, with 5 years of experiance and a CCIE number, you
> should
> > now have the experience to know what kind of salary you think you are
> > worth,
> > even in Pakistan.
> >
> > /Martin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of CC
> > IE
> > Sent: 24. august 2009 09:40
> > To: Cisco certification
> > Subject: CCIE salary in Pakistan
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Anybody from Pakistan an guide, what is the expected salary for a CCIE
> with
> > 5 yrs experience.
> >
> > Regards
> > Atif
> >
> >
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