Re: OT: CCIE Security Vs CISSP

Sorry, I was talking about doing it the right way. Brain dumps and they
could have done it a week.

These people went on a 1 week course with SANS and then studied the content.

I am not aware of them using brain dumps and I don't condone them.

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Regards,
Peter Kingston
CCIE #21194
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Travis Niedens <niedentj_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
>  I wouldn't be telling people on here that the CISSP is that easy.  There's
> a huge difference between studying with braindump questions and studying for
> true understanding.  I've known people who studied for 6 months that did not
> pass the first time out.  CCIE Security written is out there in dumps and
> the older lab was out as well.  The new changes to the security labs and
> the OEQs has brought down the passing percentage dramatically.  Again,
> passing tests isn't purely the goal but rather the knowledge you gain on the
> path.
>
> Travis
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:35:09 +1000
> Subject: Re: OT: CCIE Security Vs CISSP
> From: kingstonp.ccie_at_gmail.com
> To: niedentj_at_hotmail.com
> CC: mrnauman_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>
>
>
> Depends on time also:
>
> CISSP should only take you 4 - 6 weeks of study. 1 multiple choice exam. A
> big percentage from my work passed in 1 attempt.
>
> CCIE Security will take 6 - 12 months of solid study. 2 exams, 1 multiple
> choice and 1 practical on cisco equipment. A small percentage pass.
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Peter Kingston
> CCIE #21194
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Travis Niedens <niedentj_at_hotmail.com>wrote:
>
> IMHO, each has their strengths and pitfalls.
>
>
>
> I have the CISSP and am working on the CCIE Security.  I've had the CISSP
> for
> almost 5 years now and it has been somewhat helpful in my career.  The
> CISSP
> covers 10 CBKs:
>
>
>
>
> Information Security and Risk Management
> Computer Operations Security
> Physical (Environmental) Security
> Security Architecture and Design
> Access Control
> Cryptography
> Telecommunications and Network Security
> Application Security
> Business Continuity and Disaster Recovery Planning
> Legal, Regulations, Compliance and Investigations
>
>
>
>
> As you can see, this covers a much wider base of knowledge.  The analogy is
> "a
> mile wide and an inch deep".  The certification requires:
>
>
>
> 1. Documented proof of security experience in your career.
>
> 2. References that can validate your expertise.
>
> 3. Paying for the test (cheaper than the CCIE Lab).
>
> 4. 1 x 6 Hour test w/ 300 Questions.
>
> 5. Once passed, yearly continuing education and membership dues (cheaper
> still
> than the Lab).
>
>
>
> Many IT/IS auditing functions / positions call for this as well as the CISA
> or
> SSCP. Additionally, this is a vendor agnostic test that covers security
> from a
> standards approach (ISO / RFC).
>
>
>
> As for the CCIE Security, this would be more of the "inch wide and a mile
> deep".  While it is a great certification, it really is all about
> implementing
> and troubleshooting Cisco security technologies.  As the lab is only 8
> hours,
> they can only test you on a subset of the overall solution set that Cisco
> provides and again, it is Cisco centric.  Passing the CCIE Security does
> not
> require deep knowledge of security guidelines, laws / industry requirements
> (PCI) and does not cover multi-vendor solutions.  Personally, I am working
> on
> the CCIE Security and R/S to round myself out as an engineer and architect.
>
>
>
> Good luck with whichever path you choose !
>
>
>
> Travis
>
> > Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 08:50:41 +0300
> > Subject: OT: CCIE Security Vs CISSP
> > From: mrnauman_at_gmail.com
> > To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>  >
> > Dear experts,
> >
> > Which will be in ones best interest keeping in view the future prospect
> of
> > networks.
> >
> > i Have seen discussion about CCIE Security - but why not go for CISSP ?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Nauman
> >
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