Re: CCIE Amnesty?

Someone just told me he been with a one or more partner companies and has
never seen an email like this one:

Now I get something like this every time I make a change, whether creating
new profiles, altering profiles (my passwords for example), joining new
companies to take advantage of CCO and enter TAC tickets, etc.

I guess not everyone does... I get them and this is one I actually received
once upon a time when I contracted for a Cisco Partner in the past as an
example:

 Fwd: ALERT! Your Testing ID (CSCO#) has been associated to a new
profile Tuesday,
November 29, 200x 7:43 PM
  From:
 "darbyweaver_at_xxx.xom
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-----Original Message-----
From: gpa-admin_at_cisco.com
To: darbyweaver_at_xxx.com
Sent: Fri, 11 Nov 200x 08:48:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: ALERT! Your Testing ID (CSCO#) has been associated to a new profile

 The Cisco Testing ID (CSCO#): CSCOx0x0x0x0x0 belonging to:
Darby Weaver - - darbyweaver_at_xxx.com
is <darbyweaver_at_xxx.comis> now associated to the following new profile:
Darby Weaver -Cisco Partner- darbyweaver

If you find this action to be an error, please open a case immediately.
(Partner Help URL: http://www.cisco.com/go/partnerhelp)

Regards,
Cisco Worldwide Channels

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> I find that hard to imagine since the CCIE has to be the one to initiate
> joining the partner and has to be logged into his/her account and has to
> receive and accept or deny the confirmation email.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Tony Varriale <tvarriale_at_flamboyaninc.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Didn't happen to me, but yes.
>>
>>
>>
>> tv
>>
>> From: Darby Weaver [mailto:ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 3:40 PM
>> To: Tony Varriale
>> Cc: Cisco certification
>> Subject: Re: CCIE Amnesty?
>>
>>
>>
>> For a Cisco Partner you've never been employed by?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Tony Varriale <
>> tvarriale_at_flamboyaninc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Not even close to "impossible". I know multiple people that this happened
>> to, including a dual CCIE (a dual CCIE before it was cool).
>>
>> tv
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Darby Weaver
>> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:18 AM
>> To: NN Kumar
>> Cc: Cisco League; Cisco certification
>> Subject: Re: CCIE Amnesty?
>>
>> Actually - it is pretty close to impossible for a CCIE's number to be used
>> without his or her knowledge and consent.
>>
>> So again, the problem and the punishment fall on the CCIE.
>>
>> The CCIE cannot plead ignorance. The CCIE agreed to the agreement as a
>> part
>> of accepting to 1. take the lab 2. agreement with the terms and
>> stipulations.
>>
>> If a CCIE's digits are being used without his or her consent - this would
>> be
>> interesting since a partner or other person would wither have to be very
>> intimate with the CCIE or have totally hacked the CCIE's profile.
>>
>> Either way the CCIE is an investment.
>>
>> If a person is so careless to let it simply get stripped in such a manner,
>> then the CCIE probably is not using it anyway.
>>
>> CCIE's are not the lowest people on the food chain when it comes to
>> intellect and ability to research so....
>>
>> Most CCIE's would be hard to take advantage of in this manner.
>>
>> Therefore if one's digits are being used, it would be reasonable to safely
>> assume the CCIE had knowledge of what had transpired.
>>
>> And when found out would totally understand the consequences of his or her
>> actions.
>>
>> Agreed?
>>
>> Not many naive CCIE's out there - If there are - how did they pass the lab
>> anyway...
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:06 AM, NN Kumar <nagendra.cisco_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Darby,
>> >
>> > Your point is right when a CCIE is associating his ID with a partner
>> whom
>> > with he is not working. I agree, the candidate deserves the punishment
>> of
>> > being stripped with his certificates.
>> >
>> > But my concern is, If a partner goes for audit in some country showing
>> few
>> > CCIEs are associated in that country where in real, those CCIEs neither
>> have
>> > work permit for those country nor living in that country, but working as
>> > part of the company in different country. How will the candiate knows
>> that
>> > his ID is misused.?.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Nag
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Darby Weaver
>> <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> I am still not sure whether their is any "law" or "legal" repurcussion.
>> >>
>> >> I candidate signs an agreement saying how he or whe will use the
>> >> certifciation within specifications as specified by Cisco.
>> >>
>> >> If the candidate, the ONLY person who can assign his/her own number to
>> a
>> >> partner, does so... then the partner is not at fault because the CCIE
>> was
>> an
>> >> idiot.
>> >>
>> >> The CCIE when caught up with either in the current year or in later
>> years
>> >> as deemed appropriate by Cisco will be stripped of a CCIE and probably
>> for
>> >> life.
>> >>
>> >> The CCIE and not the parter, has made a conscious decision to DEVALUE
>> the
>> >> CCIE progam. It is the CCIE who will always suffer the AXE, not the
>> >> partner.
>> >>
>> >> The partner will have to find another CCIE else lose the partnership.
>> >>
>> >> The CCIE will have to find another certification program to defraud.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:33 AM, NN Kumar
>> <nagendra.cisco_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> I think it is not fair to strip an individual's certificates when the
>> >>> employer is trying to cheat Cisco. Normally, the company will not let
>> know
>> >>> the individual where his certificate is being associated. In such
>> case,
>> how
>> >>> would any one get to know there is something illegal association
>> happening
>> >>> with his certificate?.
>> >>>
>> >>> Is there any cisco mail list where we can confirm if this is legal or
>> >>> not?.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Darby Weaver
>> <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I think it is not so much a legal issue.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Cisco would probably just strip the person's certifications.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Cisco League <
>> >>>> ciscoleague_at_googlemail.com>wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > What if you are asked to attach your CCO to a country where you are
>> >>>> not
>> >>>> > employed.
>> >>>> > Example: You work for a company having offices in countries A,B and
>> C.
>> >>>> The
>> >>>> > company has a partner status in country A and B but not C. You are
>> >>>> employed
>> >>>> > in country A but asked to attach your CCO to country C thus helping
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> > company to get partner status in country C. Now where does the
>> company
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> > the candidate stand with respect to legal aspect and possible
>> >>>> repercussions
>> >>>> > to the candidate if this comes to notice of Cisco.
>> >>>> > To my understanding you should be employed in the country where
>> your
>> >>>> CCIE
>> >>>> > numbers is being used to gain partner status.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Darby Weaver <
>> ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>
>> >>>> > wrote:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > > Considering there is a process to become a partner - I don't
>> think
>> >>>> it is
>> >>>> > > easy to become registered with a Partner without one's own
>> notice.
>> >>>> > Unless
>> >>>> > > they have all your usernames, passwords, CSCO Number/Password,
>> etc.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
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>> >>>> >
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