Re: OT: Cisco Certified Architect

I hate to tell you guys this but the CCIE is not the highest bar in
technology, not even close. If you look at the salary charts it is beaten
by certs based on business intelligence such as the PMP or ITIL3. There
are alot of companies where a CCNP on the road to the CCIE, but with good
soft skills and maybe even some systems/application knowledge may be worth
more than a CCIE that knows nothing but. That and there alot of CCIE that
tend to be arrogant. Choosing unemployment over sub 100k salaries,
assuming they are too good to do documentation or load-balancers or
firewalls even. I think most companies need an asset not a cisco text
book and there are alot of NP's that are winning that battle. And let's
face it.. Life outside of the lab comes with full access to the cisco
website, an account team, other peoples configs to cheat from, the ever
ubiquitous TAC contract and no 8 hour time limit. Granted there are
engineers that still can't find the right answer with all those things,
but how many can (and are) doing just fine?

Re: OT: Cisco Certified Architect

Persio Pucci
to:
Cisco certification
07/22/09 08:21 PM

Sent by:
nobody_at_groupstudy.com
Please respond to Persio Pucci

Well... I still think that if somebody that needs a CCIE is willing to
accept a "CCIE written", then it is:
a) not in need of a CCIE (does not make a difference for him);
b) looking for somebody that has the skills of a CCIE but did not pass the
lab (yet/flunked for whatever reason) and is going to pay him LESS than a
CCIE avg salary (saving pennies);
c) buying a lottery ticket and hopes to cash on it (get a CCIE for the
price
of a CCNP, only a matter of months, tie his number to the company, etc)
d) HR posted the opening and does not have a clue

And also I agree with you, but want to highlight the be IF, and I quote:

So I wouldn't say the CCIE Written is without merit and *if* honestly
earned
> it has a lot challenges that are of the exact caliber experienced in the
> CCIE Lab.

And honestly, I think that if somebody tries to use "CCIE written" as a
merit for a job application, it is probably because it does not deserve
the
merit... Even worst if that is as far as the person goes.

(and again... all that is the way I see it and think about it... not an
absolute truth)

I also agree with Gary... the written (and the ICND tests, for that
matter)
have gone so deep and specific bit-wise or sometimes is so poorly written
that sometimes being a CCIE is not enough to pass it (let's say in case of
a
recert). I used dumps on the firs written I took looooong time ago (I
think
it was 2002). I passed with 76 (but failed the lab). I took the written
again last year, no dumps... I got 73, belly-scrapping and all... and
passed
the lab.

Just my 2c...

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>
wrote:

> Agreed no war.
>
> However go to your favorite job search site and take a look at how many
> jobs
> are requesting or will accept the CCIE Written as a qualifying metric
for
> the job.
>
> Now if this number is the same or greater than for a CCIE. The exam
does
> have a little more merit than a CCENT or CCNA.
>
> Here's some examples (only 11 met the search criteria):
>
>
>
http://jobsearch.monster.com/Search.aspx?brd=1&q=%22ccie%20written%22&cy=us&lid=316&re=130

>
> However many jobs that may require a CCNP or CCIE, seem to respect a
CCIE
> Written as an example of a certain level of skill when accompanied by a
> certain amount of OJT.
>
> So much to the effect that headhunters that need an actual CCIE,
actually
> specify this these days in the adverts.
>
> So I wouldn't say the CCIE Written is without merit and if honestly
earned
> it has a lot challenges that are of the exact caliber experienced in the
> CCIE Lab. Except a person 100 questions in a lot less time.
>
> Now since many people get by this exam as fast as possible - one's
results
> may vary. However, it is a challenging exam and is like the OEQ's in
terms
> of the average level of difficulty enountered... on average.
>
> So I still think it has something of a placeholder. And besides it
renews
> a
> lot of other certs too.
>
>
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