Re: OT: Cisco Certified Architect

I've said it before and I'll say it again -- If I wanted to be a project
manager I would have a PMP and an MBA. What do they have to do with
technology?

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:08 PM, <Keegan.Holley_at_sungard.com> wrote:

> I hate to tell you guys this but the CCIE is not the highest bar in
> technology, not even close. If you look at the salary charts it is beaten
> by certs based on business intelligence such as the PMP or ITIL3. There
> are alot of companies where a CCNP on the road to the CCIE, but with good
> soft skills and maybe even some systems/application knowledge may be worth
> more than a CCIE that knows nothing but. That and there alot of CCIE that
> tend to be arrogant. Choosing unemployment over sub 100k salaries,
> assuming they are too good to do documentation or load-balancers or
> firewalls even. I think most companies need an asset not a cisco text
> book and there are alot of NP's that are winning that battle. And let's
> face it.. Life outside of the lab comes with full access to the cisco
> website, an account team, other peoples configs to cheat from, the ever
> ubiquitous TAC contract and no 8 hour time limit. Granted there are
> engineers that still can't find the right answer with all those things,
> but how many can (and are) doing just fine?
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> Re: OT: Cisco Certified Architect
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> Persio Pucci
> to:
> Cisco certification
> 07/22/09 08:21 PM
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> nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> Please respond to Persio Pucci
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> Well... I still think that if somebody that needs a CCIE is willing to
> accept a "CCIE written", then it is:
> a) not in need of a CCIE (does not make a difference for him);
> b) looking for somebody that has the skills of a CCIE but did not pass the
> lab (yet/flunked for whatever reason) and is going to pay him LESS than a
> CCIE avg salary (saving pennies);
> c) buying a lottery ticket and hopes to cash on it (get a CCIE for the
> price
> of a CCNP, only a matter of months, tie his number to the company, etc)
> d) HR posted the opening and does not have a clue
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> And also I agree with you, but want to highlight the be IF, and I quote:
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> So I wouldn't say the CCIE Written is without merit and *if* honestly
> earned
> > it has a lot challenges that are of the exact caliber experienced in the
> > CCIE Lab.
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> And honestly, I think that if somebody tries to use "CCIE written" as a
> merit for a job application, it is probably because it does not deserve
> the
> merit... Even worst if that is as far as the person goes.
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> (and again... all that is the way I see it and think about it... not an
> absolute truth)
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> I also agree with Gary... the written (and the ICND tests, for that
> matter)
> have gone so deep and specific bit-wise or sometimes is so poorly written
> that sometimes being a CCIE is not enough to pass it (let's say in case of
> a
> recert). I used dumps on the firs written I took looooong time ago (I
> think
> it was 2002). I passed with 76 (but failed the lab). I took the written
> again last year, no dumps... I got 73, belly-scrapping and all... and
> passed
> the lab.
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> Just my 2c...
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> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> > Agreed no war.
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> > However go to your favorite job search site and take a look at how many
> > jobs
> > are requesting or will accept the CCIE Written as a qualifying metric
> for
> > the job.
> >
> > Now if this number is the same or greater than for a CCIE. The exam
> does
> > have a little more merit than a CCENT or CCNA.
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> > Here's some examples (only 11 met the search criteria):
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> http://jobsearch.monster.com/Search.aspx?brd=1&q=%22ccie%20written%22&cy=us&lid=316&re=130
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> > However many jobs that may require a CCNP or CCIE, seem to respect a
> CCIE
> > Written as an example of a certain level of skill when accompanied by a
> > certain amount of OJT.
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> > So much to the effect that headhunters that need an actual CCIE,
> actually
> > specify this these days in the adverts.
> >
> > So I wouldn't say the CCIE Written is without merit and if honestly
> earned
> > it has a lot challenges that are of the exact caliber experienced in the
> > CCIE Lab. Except a person 100 questions in a lot less time.
> >
> > Now since many people get by this exam as fast as possible - one's
> results
> > may vary. However, it is a challenging exam and is like the OEQ's in
> terms
> > of the average level of difficulty enountered... on average.
> >
> > So I still think it has something of a placeholder. And besides it
> renews
> > a
> > lot of other certs too.
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