Re: How to prepare for my August lab?

Excellent point Joe, one more thing for me to be mindful of today when taking the mock lab, it is timed! Being that I have never taken the actual CCIE, I will be absolutely putting my time management skills to their test today as well. Getting a better idea of how to organize my thoughts and plan my lab strategy is probably a big part of passing the exam as well!

--- On Wed, 7/22/09, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:

> From: Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>
> Subject: Re: How to prepare for my August lab?
> To: "jack ripper" <ripperthejack2001_at_yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Darby Weaver" <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>, "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk_at_gmail.com>, "Anthony Faria" <tfaria72_at_gmail.com>, "Bajo" <bajoalex_at_gmail.com>, "Ryan West" <rwest_at_zyedge.com>, "ospfv2" <ospfv2_at_gmail.com>, "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 12:33 PM
> I certainly agree with Narbik that you
> should and need to learn the technologies first, and learn
> them well. But I do disagree that mock labs are not
> valuable as a learning tool. For me, the many practice
> labs I did helped me not only with getting familiar with how
> the different technologies I had mastered individually
> worked together, but with overall structure, speed, and
> timing.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:31 PM,
> jack ripper <ripperthejack2001_at_yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I completely agree with learning the technology, my focus
> at the moment is trying to maximize my studying to best
> serve me for the exam in two weeks. I have a huge respect
> for the CCIE certification and CCIE's, I most definitely
> do not want to be someone who does this great certification
> no justice.
>
>
>
>
> After attending the bootcamp with Narbik, and the hours I
> have put in to studying, the e-mail list I have put together
> to help me and a few friends pass our CCIE's, I can
> already see a difference in my knowledge. Both in my ability
> to understand, summarize the technologies, and implement
> it.
>
>
>
>
> I've even had some opportunities to implement some of
> it in real world environments. Private VLAN's for
> instance, I had the opportunity to use my knowledge of them
> to design a PCI compliance policy, in the process I learned
> the private VLAN's were not compatible with voice
> VLAN's, which was a requirement, sticking with the idea
> of not re-subnetting and trying to get the benefits you get
> with private VLAN's and still have voice VLAN
> functionality, I ended up implementing VLAN ACL's.
>
>
>
>
> So the studying has actually had an immediate impact on my
> ability, and I feel confident that when I pass this test I
> will be a CCIE, and not just a number.
>
>
>
> What I'm hoping to get out of taking a graded lab is
> not memorization, and I'm not looking to buy 30 graded
> labs, I think for my purpose 1 should be sufficient to
> identify where I may or may not be weak. I realize it is
> just 1 lab, and it definitely does not cover all aspects of
> what I could see on the test, but I do feel it is worth the
> $35 self assessment. I would encourage anyone taking a mock
> lab to use it as a self assessment tool and not a practice
> tool.
>
>
>
>
> You guys have all been great with the encouragement and
> quick responses, I truely appreciate the help you all are
> willing to give.
>
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 7/22/09, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > From: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>
> > Subject: Re: How to prepare for my August lab?
>
> > To: "Darby Weaver" <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>
>
> > Cc: "Anthony Faria" <tfaria72_at_gmail.com>,
> "Bajo" <bajoalex_at_gmail.com>,
> "Ryan West" <rwest_at_zyedge.com>,
> "jack ripper" <ripperthejack2001_at_yahoo.com>,
> "Joe Astorino" <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>,
> "ospfv2" <ospfv2_at_gmail.com>,
> "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com"
> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>
>
> > Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 9:13 AM
>
> > Thanks Anthony,
>
> >
>
> > I honestly believe that mock labs do not teach you
>
> > anything. The only thing that you learn by doing Mock
> labs
>
> > is what to do in that exact scenario, in the next mock
> lab
>
> > you learn what to do in slightly different scenario.
>
> > Now...let's say you are in the lab and you get a
>
> > different scenario (Which you will) what are you going
> to
>
> > do?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Whereas, with tech focus labs, you will learn the
>
> > hairs within each protocol, you will see the behavior
> of
>
> > that protocol and because of that, you will know what
> to
>
> > do.
>
> >
>
> > Graded Mock labs and OEQ practice labs ONLY do one
>
> > thing, they take 100 -200 dollars out of your pocket
> and put
>
> > it in the vendors pocket, that is ALL.
>
> >
>
> > I had many students that failed the graded labs and
>
> > they failed it pretty bad, but they passed the lab on
> their
>
> > first attempt and let me tell you, they are pretty
>
> > smart.
>
> >
>
> > There is no short cut, there is no easy way to do
>
> > this, there is only one way to get your CCIE and that
> is by
>
> > knowing your stuff, learning and NOT memorizing, you
> need to
>
> > dive in each protocol separately and exam, verify and
> more
>
> > importantly test, you don't get that with mock
> labs or
>
> > graded labs.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > But if it makes some people feel good, GR8 go for it.
>
> > But remember this cert should NOT end up costing you
> lots of
>
> > money.
>
> >
>
> > I totally agree with Brian, Learn the technology and
>
> > then passing the lab would be a natural occurrence.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 5:56 AM,
>
> > Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Brian Dennis would sa the same thing. Learn the
>
> > technology and then passing the lab would be a
> natural
>
> > occurance.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --
>
> > Narbik
> Kocharians
>
> > CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>
> > www.MicronicsTraining.com
>
> > Sr. Technical Instructor
>
> >
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
> Cell: +1.586.212.6107
> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> Mailto: jastorino_at_ipexpert.com

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