Re: How to prepare for my August lab?

It is definitely a tool to not only test your time and exam topics, but to
start training you mentally. As hokey as that may sound it is true. I had
been doing practice labs for months before I did my first graded mock lab.
For some reason as soon as I saw that ticking clock I sort of froze up...I
got nervous, I started forgetting things I would never forget. Even though
it is practice, it is an exam like feel. Do that enough times, and you will
train your body to calm down a bit more.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:37 PM, jack ripper <ripperthejack2001_at_yahoo.com>wrote:

>
> Excellent point Joe, one more thing for me to be mindful of today when
> taking the mock lab, it is timed! Being that I have never taken the actual
> CCIE, I will be absolutely putting my time management skills to their test
> today as well. Getting a better idea of how to organize my thoughts and plan
> my lab strategy is probably a big part of passing the exam as well!
>
> --- On Wed, 7/22/09, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>
> > Subject: Re: How to prepare for my August lab?
> > To: "jack ripper" <ripperthejack2001_at_yahoo.com>
> > Cc: "Darby Weaver" <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>, "Narbik Kocharians" <
> narbikk_at_gmail.com>, "Anthony Faria" <tfaria72_at_gmail.com>, "Bajo" <
> bajoalex_at_gmail.com>, "Ryan West" <rwest_at_zyedge.com>, "ospfv2" <
> ospfv2_at_gmail.com>, "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 12:33 PM
> > I certainly agree with Narbik that you
> > should and need to learn the technologies first, and learn
> > them well. But I do disagree that mock labs are not
> > valuable as a learning tool. For me, the many practice
> > labs I did helped me not only with getting familiar with how
> > the different technologies I had mastered individually
> > worked together, but with overall structure, speed, and
> > timing.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:31 PM,
> > jack ripper <ripperthejack2001_at_yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I completely agree with learning the technology, my focus
> > at the moment is trying to maximize my studying to best
> > serve me for the exam in two weeks. I have a huge respect
> > for the CCIE certification and CCIE's, I most definitely
> > do not want to be someone who does this great certification
> > no justice.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > After attending the bootcamp with Narbik, and the hours I
> > have put in to studying, the e-mail list I have put together
> > to help me and a few friends pass our CCIE's, I can
> > already see a difference in my knowledge. Both in my ability
> > to understand, summarize the technologies, and implement
> > it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I've even had some opportunities to implement some of
> > it in real world environments. Private VLAN's for
> > instance, I had the opportunity to use my knowledge of them
> > to design a PCI compliance policy, in the process I learned
> > the private VLAN's were not compatible with voice
> > VLAN's, which was a requirement, sticking with the idea
> > of not re-subnetting and trying to get the benefits you get
> > with private VLAN's and still have voice VLAN
> > functionality, I ended up implementing VLAN ACL's.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > So the studying has actually had an immediate impact on my
> > ability, and I feel confident that when I pass this test I
> > will be a CCIE, and not just a number.
> >
> >
> >
> > What I'm hoping to get out of taking a graded lab is
> > not memorization, and I'm not looking to buy 30 graded
> > labs, I think for my purpose 1 should be sufficient to
> > identify where I may or may not be weak. I realize it is
> > just 1 lab, and it definitely does not cover all aspects of
> > what I could see on the test, but I do feel it is worth the
> > $35 self assessment. I would encourage anyone taking a mock
> > lab to use it as a self assessment tool and not a practice
> > tool.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > You guys have all been great with the encouragement and
> > quick responses, I truely appreciate the help you all are
> > willing to give.
> >
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 7/22/09, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> >
> > > Subject: Re: How to prepare for my August lab?
> >
> > > To: "Darby Weaver" <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>
> >
> > > Cc: "Anthony Faria" <tfaria72_at_gmail.com>,
> > "Bajo" <bajoalex_at_gmail.com>,
> > "Ryan West" <rwest_at_zyedge.com>,
> > "jack ripper" <ripperthejack2001_at_yahoo.com>,
> > "Joe Astorino" <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>,
> > "ospfv2" <ospfv2_at_gmail.com>,
> > "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com"
> > <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >
> >
> > > Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 9:13 AM
> >
> > > Thanks Anthony,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I honestly believe that mock labs do not teach you
> >
> > > anything. The only thing that you learn by doing Mock
> > labs
> >
> > > is what to do in that exact scenario, in the next mock
> > lab
> >
> > > you learn what to do in slightly different scenario.
> >
> > > Now...let's say you are in the lab and you get a
> >
> > > different scenario (Which you will) what are you going
> > to
> >
> > > do?
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Whereas, with tech focus labs, you will learn the
> >
> > > hairs within each protocol, you will see the behavior
> > of
> >
> > > that protocol and because of that, you will know what
> > to
> >
> > > do.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Graded Mock labs and OEQ practice labs ONLY do one
> >
> > > thing, they take 100 -200 dollars out of your pocket
> > and put
> >
> > > it in the vendors pocket, that is ALL.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I had many students that failed the graded labs and
> >
> > > they failed it pretty bad, but they passed the lab on
> > their
> >
> > > first attempt and let me tell you, they are pretty
> >
> > > smart.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > There is no short cut, there is no easy way to do
> >
> > > this, there is only one way to get your CCIE and that
> > is by
> >
> > > knowing your stuff, learning and NOT memorizing, you
> > need to
> >
> > > dive in each protocol separately and exam, verify and
> > more
> >
> > > importantly test, you don't get that with mock
> > labs or
> >
> > > graded labs.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > But if it makes some people feel good, GR8 go for it.
> >
> > > But remember this cert should NOT end up costing you
> > lots of
> >
> > > money.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I totally agree with Brian, Learn the technology and
> >
> > > then passing the lab would be a natural occurrence.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 5:56 AM,
> >
> > > Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>
> >
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Brian Dennis would sa the same thing. Learn the
> >
> > > technology and then passing the lab would be a
> > natural
> >
> > > occurance.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > --
> >
> > > Narbik
> > Kocharians
> >
> > > CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> >
> > > www.MicronicsTraining.com
> >
> > > Sr. Technical Instructor
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
> > Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
> > Cell: +1.586.212.6107
> > Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> > Mailto: jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

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Regards,
Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
Cell: +1.586.212.6107
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