Re: OT: Cisco Certified Architect

bah, somehow I got cut off there sorry guys.... As I was saying then... in
my mind the CCIE is still the pinnacle of technical knowledge and
configuration, which is all I really am interested in (at least at this
point) to begin with (as opposed to being in something like pre-sales)
Well, technology, knowing how the technology works, and helping others know
it as well.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>wrote:

> I guess it is what it is :P I was much more fired up about it personally
> when it was first released and it was then said that you had to have a valid
> CCIE and CCDE ...now I hear it is only CCDE which validates that it is
> really more of a design cert. To me that means it is more geared towards
> sales guys : ) I guess it would be nice, but in my mind the CCIE is still
> the pinnacle of technical knowledge and configur
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> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 8:52 PM, <Keegan.Holley_at_sungard.com> wrote:
>
>> Excuse me for stating the obvious but how can one cert possibly cost that
>> much? Is this the fee for an attempt at the test? Is this the total cost
>> of training an architecht? This is severely lacking in info. Also, can
>> you really certify an architecht? I mean constructing a network to meet
>> some requirements in a contrived lab scenario is a far cry from designing
>> a living brething, logical, sane, revenue generating/preserving network.
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>> Re: OT: Cisco Certified Architect
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>> Dane Newman
>> to:
>> Gary Duncanson
>> 07/21/09 04:03 PM
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>> Sent by:
>> nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>> Cc:
>> Travis Niedens, "<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>"
>> Please respond to Dane Newman
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>> Well see how well the Microsoft arcitect certs did weill be my
>> prediction for any cert that costs 15k
>>
>> Dane
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 21, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Gary Duncanson <
>> gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com
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>> > wrote:
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>> > I agree with some of this. Have Cisco done their homework on using
>> > the Architect moniker? I know 'real' engineers get cross about this
>> > sort of thing vis-a-vis MCSE and CNE.
>> >
>> > All that said, I work with many IT professionals with the
>> > 'Architect' moniker.
>> >
>> > It is a Cisco centric thing this I imagine. Funny thing is field
>> > environments are mixed, legacy exists and there are sometimes
>> > *better* choices than Cisco boxes for lots of reasons. So it's a
>> > Cisco Architect rather than a Network Architect qualification. On
>> > that note, many CCIE's are unfamilar with CSS (aka Arrowpoint)
>> > configuration. I realise this is not an 'Architect' level diversion
>> > but loadbalancing happens and app developers with increasing disdain
>> > for TCP seem to keep on blaiming networks when their apps fall
>> > over. Hopefully it's covered.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Gary
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Niedens"
>> <niedentj_at_hotmail.com
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>> > To: <rwest_at_zyedge.com>; <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>; <
>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
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>> > >
>> > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 6:13 PM
>> > Subject: RE: OT: Cisco Certified Architect
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>> >
>> >> For me -- 15k for a certification is a killer. Cisco and large
>> >> partners more
>> >> than likely will be the only ones paying for people to take the test.
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >> If you take a look at the cost, it is the most costly certification
>> >> - at least
>> >> that I am aware of. For the cost of this ALONE, without any study
>> >> materials
>> >> or fancy hardware or travel/lodging, I can pretty much pay for my
>> >> Masters in
>> >> Information Assurance and Security at Capella University. Keep in
>> >> mind, with
>> >> a Masters, I can jump to any part of IT and usually higher
>> >> positions than you
>> >> see on dice / monster for a CCIE / CCDE. Another item to keep in
>> >> mind is that
>> >> most networks are not 100% Cisco. I would assume the caliber of
>> >> person who
>> >> "should" get through the CCA will be able to deal with that and in
>> >> fact it
>> >> would be crazy for Cisco not to include this in the CCA process.
>> >> My hope is
>> >> that this truly is a Architect test vs. what people have been
>> >> calling the CCDE
>> >> - the Russ White design test.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Travis
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