Re: Failed 1st attempt Friday

I haven't failed yet as I still haven't taken the lab. Still, better engineers
than me have shown up and come up short first time. We will just have to see
what happens when I finally go in. Your study program, your priorities in
life, your bandwidth to study is a very personal thing. Find what works for
you in terms of time available to study, priorities, how best you pick things
up and go from there. As for non first time passers with ability. Lots. I
think Karl Solie took three attempts. My friend Peter took five. Scott twice.
These are all very handy people. It's a difficult test so go when you have
given yourself the very best opportunity to prepare in your own way. I see
people doing many hours a day studying and passing first time and that's
great, but that's just not a very practical option for some of us engaged in
the field. Some inspirational stories out there though. Im looking forward to
sending my 'I passed' email in due course. In fact I wrote it in advance and
it's still archived. It continues to be edited as things change like the birth
of my son, but some things remain, like thanking Scott Morris (Blackhawk) who
has been a great friend and mentor over the years.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Joe Astorino
  To: Gary Duncanson
  Cc: Narbik Kocharians ; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
  Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 5:53 PM
  Subject: Re: Failed 1st attempt Friday

  Sorry to hear about your experience as well. But, as I tell everybody you
need to eliminate the word fail from your vocabulary. You didn't fail, you
only learned that you are not quite ready. Reframe failure to a path towards
success. I once heard that after Edison tried unsuccessfully literally 10,000
times at the lightbulb he was being ridiculed because of his "failure." He
said "I didn't fail, I figured out 10,000 ways to NOT make a lightbult" :)

  Good luck, and let me know if I can help you in the future on your road to
success

  On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Gary Duncanson
<gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com> wrote:

    Narbik,

    Seems like some good advice to me. I have waited this long juggling
evening lab prep with work and young family, seems a shame to rush the last
bit and grab whatever slot shows up.

    Regards
    Gary
    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Narbik Kocharians"
<narbikk_at_gmail.com>
    To: "Piyoush Sharma" <piyoush_at_gmail.com>
    Cc: "Joseph L. Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>; "Ramanpreet Singh"
<sikandar.raman_at_gmail.com>; "Marcus Bedford" <marcus.bedford_at_mebway.com>;
<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
    Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:41 AM

    Subject: Re: Failed 1st attempt Friday

      Marcus,

      Remember this is a long process and NOT a short one, and you should NOT
be
      afraid of V3, V4 or even V8, they added some new stuff to the lab, but
they
      did not make the lab impossible, i honestly believe that a person that
      passes the new version is exposed to more and better stuff than a
person
      that passed the older version.
      Take you time and go over the recommendations i gave you guys, my new
2.0
      material will be totally completed within the next two weeks, and i
highly
      recommend retaking the boot camp again, and remember that consistency
will
      pay off, you need to study and create a study plan, attacking each
protocol
      separately and you should not let go unless you know that protocol
inside
      out. The question is "When would i be ready?" well....when ever you are
able
      to answer all of *your *questions.
      Let me know if you need any help. Was the class and the work books
      relevant? If they were, then, its matter of finding the time to study,
but
      your study plan should be a comfortable one, so you wont get bored with
it.
      Don't rush, you have what it takes, and you will do it, but when you
are
      ready.

      On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Piyoush Sharma <piyoush_at_gmail.com>
wrote:

        Erm Joe,

        I think you missed the announcement from Cisco about their 90-day
        cancellation policy. So unless someone out there paid for the lab but
dont
        feel like attending and cancel, it is almost impossible to get a date
        before
        the blueprint (or topic, as Cisco now calls it) change...

        Piyoush.

        On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Joseph L. Brunner
        <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>wrote:

> Like pretty, smart, single, educated women our age, Lab seats
become
> available
> DAILY.
>
> Keep looking...
>
> I have picked up both kinds of "dates" at the last minute, when I
least
> expected it...
>
> The 28 day rule will kick in and smash some guys little Capital One
> Visa
> card
> with a $1415 limit... his date will be dropped... Take and enjoy
>
> -Joe
>
> From: Ramanpreet Singh [mailto:sikandar.raman_at_gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 11:44 AM
> To: Joseph L. Brunner
> Cc: Marcus Bedford; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Failed 1st attempt Friday
>
> Joe,
>
> You are probably right in your suggestion but there are no dates
        available
> (
> at least in US) before October 18th. I think for people like Marcus
and
        me,
> we
> only have a option for CCIEv4 which should be doable by the
time-frame
> mentioned by Marcus.
>
> Marcus,
>
> Hang in there my friend, you will be CCIE pretty soon.
>
> Thanks,
> Raman
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Joseph L. Brunner
> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com<mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>> wrote:
> Marcus,
>
> Itb s a process, not a single event to become a CCIE.
>
> I donb t think you should wait so long for your retake.
>
> I think your next retake should come in Sept.
>
> I think you should dive back in, perhaps go over the "Tech" with one
of
> us...
> I would be more than happy to get you some webex training sessions
with
        me,
> gratis.
> Lots of this stuff is quite easy, personally I was underwhelmed by
the
        NON
> switching/routing stuff in there... There were some questions that
I
> thought
> were canned, and
> IT SEEMED CISCO LET A CCNA WRITE PART OF THE LAB
>
> Unicast me and I'll be happy to work with you to "affirm" you
> qos/multicast/security facets when you're ready to get back on the >
horse.
>
> GRIN:)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>] On
Behalf
        Of
> Marcus Bedford
> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 11:31 AM
> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Subject: Failed 1st attempt Friday
>
> Hey guys,
>
> I wanted to share my experience from my first attempt in San Jose
on
        Friday
> 7/17. I passed the open ended questions. I had four of them. Two
> were
> very
> easy, one was borderline CCNA level, and the other 2 were
challenging,
        but
> are
> doing if you have been studying for your CCIE. Don't panic so much
> about
> those. I think they were inline with the Written exam.
>
> 90% in switching, 75% in IGPs, and I nosed dived after that.
Getting
> either
> minimum to no points. Some partially do that i did not have
complete
> functionality with my IGP's.
>
> I took Narbik's boot camp the weak before and I was weak in
Multicast > and
> QOS.
> I did not have enough time to lab up the workbooks to master those
> technologies and it showed as i spent much of my time searching the
DOC
        cd
> for
> help. The funny thing is, I did take the time to read all Narbik's
2.0
> workbooks and I did not get asked a task that was not explained in
his
> books,
> LOL.
>
> Narbik's workbooks, are like Prego spaghetti sauce, it's in there.
>
> Next steps.
>
> For now, I am taking the remainder of the month off other than some
> light
> reading.
>
> August will declare war on Qos and Multicast. I want to get rid of
> them
        as
> I
> have been putting them off too long. I want to retake Narbik's boot
> camp
> in
> October and get the new materials for the new format and plan to
have
> myself
> positioned to re-take my 2nd attempt in jan/Feb 2010 time frame.
>
> Advice,
> I noticed that the subjects that i felt comfortable in, switching
and
> IGP's(most of the time) I offer my assistance on. Those areas, I
was > not
> comfortable in, I would sit back and be quiet. My Lab scoring
followed
> that
> pattern. I would recommend hitting all core areas that you do not
feel
> comfortable explaining it to someone else, right or wrong, because
if > you
> are
> not confident, you will fail that area or waste time searching the >
DocCD
> for
> answers like I did.
>
>
> Marcus
>
>
> Blogs and organic groups at
http://www.ccie.net<http://www.ccie.net/>
>
>
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