Re: Failed 1st attempt Friday

Sorry to hear about your experience as well. But, as I tell everybody you
need to eliminate the word fail from your vocabulary. You didn't fail, you
only learned that you are not quite ready. Reframe failure to a path
towards success. I once heard that after Edison tried unsuccessfully
literally 10,000 times at the lightbulb he was being ridiculed because of
his "failure." He said "I didn't fail, I figured out 10,000 ways to NOT
make a lightbult" :)

Good luck, and let me know if I can help you in the future on your road to
success

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Gary Duncanson <
gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com> wrote:

> Narbik,
>
> Seems like some good advice to me. I have waited this long juggling evening
> lab prep with work and young family, seems a shame to rush the last bit and
> grab whatever slot shows up.
>
> Regards
> Gary
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> To: "Piyoush Sharma" <piyoush_at_gmail.com>
> Cc: "Joseph L. Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>; "Ramanpreet Singh" <
> sikandar.raman_at_gmail.com>; "Marcus Bedford" <marcus.bedford_at_mebway.com>; <
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:41 AM
>
> Subject: Re: Failed 1st attempt Friday
>
>
> Marcus,
>>
>> Remember this is a long process and NOT a short one, and you should NOT be
>> afraid of V3, V4 or even V8, they added some new stuff to the lab, but
>> they
>> did not make the lab impossible, i honestly believe that a person that
>> passes the new version is exposed to more and better stuff than a person
>> that passed the older version.
>> Take you time and go over the recommendations i gave you guys, my new 2.0
>> material will be totally completed within the next two weeks, and i highly
>> recommend retaking the boot camp again, and remember that consistency will
>> pay off, you need to study and create a study plan, attacking each
>> protocol
>> separately and you should not let go unless you know that protocol inside
>> out. The question is "When would i be ready?" well....when ever you are
>> able
>> to answer all of *your *questions.
>> Let me know if you need any help. Was the class and the work books
>> relevant? If they were, then, its matter of finding the time to study, but
>> your study plan should be a comfortable one, so you wont get bored with
>> it.
>> Don't rush, you have what it takes, and you will do it, but when you are
>> ready.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Piyoush Sharma <piyoush_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Erm Joe,
>>>
>>> I think you missed the announcement from Cisco about their 90-day
>>> cancellation policy. So unless someone out there paid for the lab but
>>> dont
>>> feel like attending and cancel, it is almost impossible to get a date
>>> before
>>> the blueprint (or topic, as Cisco now calls it) change...
>>>
>>> Piyoush.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Joseph L. Brunner
>>> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> > Like pretty, smart, single, educated women our age, Lab seats become
>>> > available
>>> > DAILY.
>>> >
>>> > Keep looking...
>>> >
>>> > I have picked up both kinds of "dates" at the last minute, when I least
>>> > expected it...
>>> >
>>> > The 28 day rule will kick in and smash some guys little Capital One >
>>> Visa
>>> > card
>>> > with a $1415 limit... his date will be dropped... Take and enjoy
>>> >
>>> > -Joe
>>> >
>>> > From: Ramanpreet Singh [mailto:sikandar.raman_at_gmail.com]
>>> > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 11:44 AM
>>> > To: Joseph L. Brunner
>>> > Cc: Marcus Bedford; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> > Subject: Re: Failed 1st attempt Friday
>>> >
>>> > Joe,
>>> >
>>> > You are probably right in your suggestion but there are no dates
>>> available
>>> > (
>>> > at least in US) before October 18th. I think for people like Marcus and
>>> me,
>>> > we
>>> > only have a option for CCIEv4 which should be doable by the time-frame
>>> > mentioned by Marcus.
>>> >
>>> > Marcus,
>>> >
>>> > Hang in there my friend, you will be CCIE pretty soon.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Raman
>>> > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Joseph L. Brunner
>>> > <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com<mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>> wrote:
>>> > Marcus,
>>> >
>>> > Itb s a process, not a single event to become a CCIE.
>>> >
>>> > I donb t think you should wait so long for your retake.
>>> >
>>> > I think your next retake should come in Sept.
>>> >
>>> > I think you should dive back in, perhaps go over the "Tech" with one of
>>> > us...
>>> > I would be more than happy to get you some webex training sessions with
>>> me,
>>> > gratis.
>>> > Lots of this stuff is quite easy, personally I was underwhelmed by the
>>> NON
>>> > switching/routing stuff in there... There were some questions that I
>>> > thought
>>> > were canned, and
>>> > IT SEEMED CISCO LET A CCNA WRITE PART OF THE LAB
>>> >
>>> > Unicast me and I'll be happy to work with you to "affirm" you
>>> > qos/multicast/security facets when you're ready to get back on the >
>>> horse.
>>> >
>>> > GRIN:)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> > [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> > Marcus Bedford
>>> > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 11:31 AM
>>> > To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> > Subject: Failed 1st attempt Friday
>>> >
>>> > Hey guys,
>>> >
>>> > I wanted to share my experience from my first attempt in San Jose on
>>> Friday
>>> > 7/17. I passed the open ended questions. I had four of them. Two >
>>> were
>>> > very
>>> > easy, one was borderline CCNA level, and the other 2 were challenging,
>>> but
>>> > are
>>> > doing if you have been studying for your CCIE. Don't panic so much >
>>> about
>>> > those. I think they were inline with the Written exam.
>>> >
>>> > 90% in switching, 75% in IGPs, and I nosed dived after that. Getting
>>> > either
>>> > minimum to no points. Some partially do that i did not have complete
>>> > functionality with my IGP's.
>>> >
>>> > I took Narbik's boot camp the weak before and I was weak in Multicast >
>>> and
>>> > QOS.
>>> > I did not have enough time to lab up the workbooks to master those
>>> > technologies and it showed as i spent much of my time searching the DOC
>>> cd
>>> > for
>>> > help. The funny thing is, I did take the time to read all Narbik's 2.0
>>> > workbooks and I did not get asked a task that was not explained in his
>>> > books,
>>> > LOL.
>>> >
>>> > Narbik's workbooks, are like Prego spaghetti sauce, it's in there.
>>> >
>>> > Next steps.
>>> >
>>> > For now, I am taking the remainder of the month off other than some >
>>> light
>>> > reading.
>>> >
>>> > August will declare war on Qos and Multicast. I want to get rid of >
>>> them
>>> as
>>> > I
>>> > have been putting them off too long. I want to retake Narbik's boot >
>>> camp
>>> > in
>>> > October and get the new materials for the new format and plan to have
>>> > myself
>>> > positioned to re-take my 2nd attempt in jan/Feb 2010 time frame.
>>> >
>>> > Advice,
>>> > I noticed that the subjects that i felt comfortable in, switching and
>>> > IGP's(most of the time) I offer my assistance on. Those areas, I was >
>>> not
>>> > comfortable in, I would sit back and be quiet. My Lab scoring followed
>>> > that
>>> > pattern. I would recommend hitting all core areas that you do not feel
>>> > comfortable explaining it to someone else, right or wrong, because if >
>>> you
>>> > are
>>> > not confident, you will fail that area or waste time searching the >
>>> DocCD
>>> > for
>>> > answers like I did.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Marcus
>>> >
>>> >
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