Re: The State of the CCIE Training Industry

Yeh and stop ganging up on people.

On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 8:24 AM, <Keegan.Holley_at_sungard.com> wrote:

> This is the song that doesn't ennnnd.. it just goes on and on my
> friennnnd.. Some people started singing it not knowing what it was.. Why
> don't you smart guys stop arguing about the training industry and do
> something useful, like explain to multicast distributed switching to the
> newbie. :) Some of you aren't even customers or at the moment, or
> trainers for that matter.
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> RE: The State of the CCIE Training Industry
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> Evan Weston
> to:
> 'Darby Weaver'
> 07/18/09 10:05 AM
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> Sent by:
> nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> Cc:
> ccielab
> Please respond to "Evan Weston"
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> A lot of the stuff you say lately sounds like defamation to me, the kind
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> stuff likely to get you sued one day.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Darby Weaver
> Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 9:51 PM
> To: Jonny English
> Cc: ALL From_NJ; Gary Duncanson; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: The State of the CCIE Training Industry
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> I just re-read my original post.
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> Exactly where does anyone think I "made it up". This is what I said (Now
> you genius types - read carefully - "Apparently", "may", "rumor"... and
> then
> you missed the "theme" of the post... I think my words got majorly
> exaggerated... But hey... who can account for "interpretation".... They
> sure stirred the spot over at InternetworkExpert.
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> Apparently some think InternetworkExpert may be in dire straights (Truth
> or
> Dare) and since Brian Dennis may no longer be at the head of the table
> (another rumor from an informed source) then InternetworkExpert as we know
> it may not exist much longer and may not hold a top spot either for long.
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> Let's see:
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> 1. Brian Dennis has exactly 95 posts on his own forum. That's it. None
> newer than since the big announcement last year.
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> 2. Brian McGahan posts in the first person (this mean he uses the words
> "I"
> and not "We" in his own posts - This will get fixed now - no doubt).
> Hah!
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> 3. The most plausible thing we heard was that Brian Dennis was developing
> a
> new site in Seattle - Kewl - It looks like I'll be up there in a few days
> with Cisco and maybe I'll get a chance to meet him in person. Per this
> quote:
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> I'll post an update to our blog tonight or tomorrow letting people know
> what's going on at INE since a few people seem to be making up some crazy
> off the wall rumors. Basically we're just starting the process of opening
> up additional operations in the Seattle, WA area where I now currently
> live.
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> 4. The guy who has effectively replaced him has spoken for him in his
> stead
> and then only after this thing goes "Nuclear" does Brian come in and
> comment....
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> 5. And by the way... while someone did mention Brian Dennis being "dead"
> somewhere... no one mentioned this about Brian McGahan (I think he
> replied
> using the wrong email account). No biggie. It happens.
>
> The rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated ;)
> Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
> bmcgahan_at_INE.com <mailto:bmcgahan_at_INE.com <bmcgahan_at_INE.com>>
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> http://www.INE.com <http://www.ine.com/> <http://www.ine.com/>
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> 6. I really expected a lot of students who have been training with Brian
> Dennis recently and this past year to chime in considering the attention
> this thread drew towards InternetworkExpert. None did. Hmmm....
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> For those paying attention to the real issue. The ONLY reason I even
> mentioned IE in my post was that they sell "ELECTRONICALLY" and it is my
> intention to point out that those creating such materials "en-masse" are
> doing what Bruce Caslow might call... devalueing the CCIE. No not
> InternetworkExpert. The client base that is no longer purchasing product.
>
> But Scott assurrd me that InternetworkExpert's classes are seeing about
> 20+
> students per class (They use at least 2 instructors per class to meet the
> demands of the class and supply personal attention).
>
> So from that reply and assurance, I'd suppose InternetworkExpert is alive
> and doing fine.
>
> I guess only the Cisco 360 team is hurting from that point of view. Maybe
> and maybe not. It is being offered quite a bit.
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> Now if someone is going to mock my words - read what wrote and put it in
> context.
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> By the way - If I get up to Seattle in the next few weeks, and if time
> permits, I'll probably make the attempt to find Mr. Dennis myself.
>
> Good luck to all... And *may the CCIE RS Lab not change too quickly*
> before
> or after you guys make your changes to your workbooks...
>
> I too hate when that happens...
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> Hint: Read my last words again...
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