Re: The State of the CCIE Training Industry

Hello all

I do not want to neither justify nor approve piracy but I think these
stolen copies also advertise companies. It makes them known from
potential future customers...

Just an idea ;-) and experiences saw on the subject

BRgds,

Niklas

Le 15 juil. 2009 C 20:23, "Luan Nguyen" <luan_at_netcraftsmen.net> a
C)crit :

> IMHO, choosing INE for SP only when you have a good understanding of
> the
> blueprint. For starter, IEMentor, CCbootcamp, and IPExpert are
> probably
> much better. I like the proctor guide from IPExpert for
> security...explain
> stuff to you. But that's just me, other people from my company like
> INE...now that Scott is there, we probably could get good discount? :)
> You guys have almost 10K every year...you can do more for the training
> community:) take a bootcamp, buy something more expensive :) tell your
> coworkers...since you seem to be under a nice boss.
> Piracy is not that bad...for guys like you, you don't need to pirate
> anything. For people who pirate stuff, they wouldn't buy them
> anyhow so
> trainers don't lose much there.
>
> Luan Nguyen
> Chesapeake NetCraftsmen, LLC.
> http://www3.netcraftsmen.net
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> Persio Pucci
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: The State of the CCIE Training Industry
>
> Brian,
>
> please keep INE alive, I just recently bought the SP material and
> I'd love
> to see that updated a little... :)
>
> While saying that, I think the training vendors should ALSO invest
> (more) on
> the other tracks... if you are just a newcomer you might think it's
> R&S or
> nothing. I know Cisco's next blow is the Voice 360... but hey, there
> are
> other tracks too... why not give them a little (more) attention?
> *(And just for the record, I (well, the company) bought the R&S
> material as
> well in the past... 5 printed and 3 eletronics sets if I am not
> mistaken.
> I'm doing my part helping you guys :D)*
> I agree with Darby, however, that piracy is the damnation of any
> training
> material (not Cisco-exclusive). Cannot think of a way out of it,
> however...
> :(
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Brian Dennis <
> bdennis_at_internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>
>> As an FYI I'm not dead as rumored in the previous email ;-)
>>
>> I'll post an update to our blog tonight or tomorrow letting people
>> know
>> what's going on at INE since a few people seem to be making up some
>> crazy
>> off the wall rumors. Basically we're just starting the process of
>> opening
>> up additional operations in the Seattle, WA area where I now
>> currently
>> live. Although Reno, NV is a nice place the amount of high tech
>> workers
>> is very limited to say the least. This wasn't a problem when we were
>> smaller but now we can't continue to grow with the limited high tech
>> workforce in the Reno area.
>>
>> In order to continue to grow we need to have offices in an area
>> that has a
>> good technical workforce to select from. Just trying to find a good
>> full-time PHP web developer or CCNA in Reno is a real struggle.
>> This of
>> course isn't the case in the Seattle area. Additionally flights to
>> the
>> Seattle area for students attending classes are far better than the
>> limited selection of flights to the Reno area. Also the selection of
>> hotels for students is far better here in Seattle over Reno.
>>
>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>> bdennis_at_internetworkexpert.com
>>
>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com <http://
>> www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 703
>> Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 703
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Anthony Faria" <tfaria72_at_gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sun, July 12, 2009 21:01
>> Subject:Re: The State of the CCIE Training Industry
>>
>>
>> Were the blog hits low this week Darby ? LOL Really bro if you
>> spent as
>> much
>> time writing as you did studying you would be done with multiple
>> ccie. I
>> think you are a skilled wirter I think you should apply at a e IT
>> magazine
>> or something. Not trying to slam you bro but sometimes you are over
>> the
>> top.
>> Things change and so do companies it is a fact of life. The stuff you
>> originally bought was probably two lab versions ago. So if 5 years
>> later
>> the
>> company goes under well shit you got your money worth. So please
>> keep your
>> posts to your blog on this stuff . If you are going to help and
>> answer
>> questions step up do some good instead of being war time media
>> coverage. I
>> seen Waynes alien Baby damn he is ugly!!! He sounded like Scott
>> from the
>> audio series though LOL JK Scott.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey don't take it quite so personal. Well I'd better take a step
>>> back
> on
>>> that one as you are currently working for one of the companies that
> other
>>> companies are talking about lately.
>>>
>>> What I saw at the conference was a certain sense of fear of what is
>>> happening and there is a lot of fallout from that fear and
>>> uncertainty.
>>>
>>> Some said InternetworkExpert is going through some rough times and
>>> the
>> only
>>> two viable major companies left were: The Cisco CCIE 360
>>> Consortium and
>>> IPExpert.
>>>
>>> Narbik joined the 360 it seems.
>>>
>>> InternetworkExpert may be perceived as having loss a certain sense
>>> of
>>> direction - I'm just summarizing here - The question that was used
>>> for a
>>> basis is "What's happening with Brian Dennis and the CCIE 2.0
>>> Program?".
>>>
>>> Don't take it that badly - I just gave you insight into what your
>>> competition is thinking and you should consider my words carefully.
>>>
>>> It was that line of reasoning that got me worried a bit last night.
>>>
>>> Technically IE has the killer product - The PolyLabs and they are
>>> quite
>>> innovative, creative, and quite possibly the single most act of
>>> genius
>>> created in a while. Simple plan and very nice exectution.
>>>
>>> IPExpert is expanding its borders.
>>>
>>> Cisco CCIE 360 is doing the same (kinda reminds me of pirates on the
> high
>>> seas but hey it I'd hope someone is making money from it - ). Hah!
> Hey
>>> they had to get the instructors from somewhere.
>>>
>>> I'm kinda wondering when Scott Morris is going to go independent
>> actually.
>>> You of all people have the name, reputation, sincerity, and
>>> technical
>>> expertise to pull it off. And you get back to people and
>>> everyone know
>>> it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I recall one instuctor saying he earned in 5 weeks at one point what
> took
>>> him almost a whole year to earn working for an employer. And of
>>> course
>> he
>>> is a very passionate instructor too.
>>>
>>> I kind of see one side trying to pick up all the chips or cash in
>>> the
>> chips
>>> that don't play the game.
>>>
>>>
>>> The piracy thing is the single biggest attack on the CCIE program
>>> and it
>> is
>>> a hard one to beat. Companies want to sell en masse and as long
>>> as that
>> is
>>> working - great. However, we have a very limited market and only
>>> so many
>>> candiates at a given time.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to say the Troubleshooting Section if delivered in
>>> classes
> and
>>> in
>>> classes alone, then it may help turn this thing around. But it
>>> won't
>> work
>>> if all companies and individuals don't come together to nip it in
>>> the
>> bud.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey just an opinion.
>>>
>>> If trainers are selling 10,000 copies electroinically instead of
>>> say 10
>> or
>>> even 100, then by all means carry on.
>>>
>>> If you ain't selling enough copies to justify the production costs
>>> (as
>> has
>>> been said to me privately), then you might want to take my
>>> observance
>> into
>>> account.
>>>
>>> Of course copy machines abound - but the real output ought to be
>>> in the
>>> class room itself and presentation.
>>>
>>> Scott you are quite legendary at this and you of all people would
>>> be a
>>> person to profit from such a situation.
>>>
>>> Time are changing. Sorry to kick things back to the stone ages, but
>>> security is not quite so secure on intellectual property these days.
>>> Handle
>>> with care.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So your shock and awe about two companies left in the end was
>>>> meant to
>>>> educate everyone that people stealing the digital downloads is bad?
>>> that's
>>>> a very strange way of delivering that message.
>>>>
>>>> And no, I haven't read your wiki. Didn't know you had one
>>>> because I
>>>> haven't really had the need to Google you and find out what things
> were
>>> or
>>>> were not posted by/about you.
>>>>
>>>> Next thing you know you're going to go with all-out exclusive-
>>>> photos
> of
>>>> Wayne Lawson's Alien Baby. And I just really don't think that's
>>> necessary.
>>>> That's a private family matter.
>>>>
>>>> ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE*x4* (R&amp;amp;S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
>> Provider)
>> #4713,
>>>>
>>>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>>>
>>>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>>>
>>>> evil_at_ine.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>>>
>>>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>>>>
>>>> Outside US: 775-826-4344
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Knowledge is power.
>>>>
>>>> Power corrupts.
>>>>
>>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Darby Weaver wrote:
>>>>
>>>> FYI -
>>>>
>>>> I'm not so much concerned with Brian Dennis and whether or not he's
>> still
>>>> with IE, I would hope he is, but if he's not I do not see such a
>> talented
>>>> individual being without options.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not so much as concerned about my nose and whether or not it is
>>> broken
>>>> or not. (I guess someone never read my Wiki).
>>>>
>>>> I am concerned about my general investment in the CCIE Program.
>>>> That
>> is
>>> the
>>>> point of the matter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am concerned when I see CCIE Instructors and Content Developers
>>> speaking
>>>> of no longer being able to make a living at their expectations in
>>>> this
>>>> industry. This concerns me and if you have invested money in
>>>> some of
>>> these
>>>> programs and have a vested interest then it may or may not concern
> you.
>>>>
>>>> The tabloid thing catches the eye - but the real matter is that
>>>> with
>> the
>>>> advent of technology - people are taking advantage of the ease of
>>> downloads
>>>> and literally bankrupting an otherwise thriving industry.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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