Re: The State of the CCIE Training Industry

The rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated ;)

Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
bmcgahan_at_INE.com <mailto:bmcgahan_at_INE.com>
 
Internetwork Expert, Inc.
http://www.INE.com

Brian Dennis wrote:
> As an FYI I'm not dead as rumored in the previous email ;-)
>
> I'll post an update to our blog tonight or tomorrow letting people know
> what's going on at INE since a few people seem to be making up some crazy
> off the wall rumors. Basically we're just starting the process of opening
> up additional operations in the Seattle, WA area where I now currently
> live. Although Reno, NV is a nice place the amount of high tech workers
> is very limited to say the least. This wasn't a problem when we were
> smaller but now we can't continue to grow with the limited high tech
> workforce in the Reno area.
>
> In order to continue to grow we need to have offices in an area that has a
> good technical workforce to select from. Just trying to find a good
> full-time PHP web developer or CCNA in Reno is a real struggle. This of
> course isn't the case in the Seattle area. Additionally flights to the
> Seattle area for students attending classes are far better than the
> limited selection of flights to the Reno area. Also the selection of
> hotels for students is far better here in Seattle over Reno.
>
> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
> bdennis_at_internetworkexpert.com
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> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anthony Faria" <tfaria72_at_gmail.com>
> Sent: Sun, July 12, 2009 21:01
> Subject:Re: The State of the CCIE Training Industry
>
>
> Were the blog hits low this week Darby ? LOL Really bro if you spent as much
> time writing as you did studying you would be done with multiple ccie. I
> think you are a skilled wirter I think you should apply at a e IT magazine
> or something. Not trying to slam you bro but sometimes you are over the top.
> Things change and so do companies it is a fact of life. The stuff you
> originally bought was probably two lab versions ago. So if 5 years later the
> company goes under well shit you got your money worth. So please keep your
> posts to your blog on this stuff . If you are going to help and answer
> questions step up do some good instead of being war time media coverage. I
> seen Waynes alien Baby damn he is ugly!!! He sounded like Scott from the
> audio series though LOL JK Scott.
>
> Tony
>
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:
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>> Hey don't take it quite so personal. Well I'd better take a step back on
>> that one as you are currently working for one of the companies that other
>> companies are talking about lately.
>>
>> What I saw at the conference was a certain sense of fear of what is
>> happening and there is a lot of fallout from that fear and uncertainty.
>>
>> Some said InternetworkExpert is going through some rough times and the only
>> two viable major companies left were: The Cisco CCIE 360 Consortium and
>> IPExpert.
>>
>> Narbik joined the 360 it seems.
>>
>> InternetworkExpert may be perceived as having loss a certain sense of
>> direction - I'm just summarizing here - The question that was used for a
>> basis is "What's happening with Brian Dennis and the CCIE 2.0 Program?".
>>
>> Don't take it that badly - I just gave you insight into what your
>> competition is thinking and you should consider my words carefully.
>>
>> It was that line of reasoning that got me worried a bit last night.
>>
>> Technically IE has the killer product - The PolyLabs and they are quite
>> innovative, creative, and quite possibly the single most act of genius
>> created in a while. Simple plan and very nice exectution.
>>
>> IPExpert is expanding its borders.
>>
>> Cisco CCIE 360 is doing the same (kinda reminds me of pirates on the high
>> seas but hey it I'd hope someone is making money from it - ). Hah! Hey
>> they had to get the instructors from somewhere.
>>
>> I'm kinda wondering when Scott Morris is going to go independent actually.
>> You of all people have the name, reputation, sincerity, and technical
>> expertise to pull it off. And you get back to people and everyone know
>> it.
>>
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>>
>> I recall one instuctor saying he earned in 5 weeks at one point what took
>> him almost a whole year to earn working for an employer. And of course he
>> is a very passionate instructor too.
>>
>> I kind of see one side trying to pick up all the chips or cash in the chips
>> that don't play the game.
>>
>>
>> The piracy thing is the single biggest attack on the CCIE program and it is
>> a hard one to beat. Companies want to sell en masse and as long as that is
>> working - great. However, we have a very limited market and only so many
>> candiates at a given time.
>>
>> I'm trying to say the Troubleshooting Section if delivered in classes and
>> in
>> classes alone, then it may help turn this thing around. But it won't work
>> if all companies and individuals don't come together to nip it in the bud.
>>
>>
>> Hey just an opinion.
>>
>> If trainers are selling 10,000 copies electroinically instead of say 10 or
>> even 100, then by all means carry on.
>>
>> If you ain't selling enough copies to justify the production costs (as has
>> been said to me privately), then you might want to take my observance into
>> account.
>>
>> Of course copy machines abound - but the real output ought to be in the
>> class room itself and presentation.
>>
>> Scott you are quite legendary at this and you of all people would be a
>> person to profit from such a situation.
>>
>> Time are changing. Sorry to kick things back to the stone ages, but
>> security is not quite so secure on intellectual property these days.
>> Handle
>> with care.
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>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
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>>> So your shock and awe about two companies left in the end was meant to
>>> educate everyone that people stealing the digital downloads is bad?
>>>
>> that's
>>
>>> a very strange way of delivering that message.
>>>
>>> And no, I haven't read your wiki. Didn't know you had one because I
>>> haven't really had the need to Google you and find out what things were
>>>
>> or
>>
>>> were not posted by/about you.
>>>
>>> Next thing you know you're going to go with all-out exclusive-photos of
>>> Wayne Lawson's Alien Baby. And I just really don't think that's
>>>
>> necessary.
>>
>>> That's a private family matter.
>>>
>>> ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE*x4* (R&amp;amp;S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
>>>
> #4713,
>
>>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>>
>>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>>
>>> evil_at_ine.com
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>> Knowledge is power.
>>>
>>> Power corrupts.
>>>
>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Darby Weaver wrote:
>>>
>>> FYI -
>>>
>>> I'm not so much concerned with Brian Dennis and whether or not he's still
>>> with IE, I would hope he is, but if he's not I do not see such a talented
>>> individual being without options.
>>>
>>> I'm not so much as concerned about my nose and whether or not it is
>>>
>> broken
>>
>>> or not. (I guess someone never read my Wiki).
>>>
>>> I am concerned about my general investment in the CCIE Program. That is
>>>
>> the
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>>> point of the matter.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am concerned when I see CCIE Instructors and Content Developers
>>>
>> speaking
>>
>>> of no longer being able to make a living at their expectations in this
>>> industry. This concerns me and if you have invested money in some of
>>>
>> these
>>
>>> programs and have a vested interest then it may or may not concern you.
>>>
>>> The tabloid thing catches the eye - but the real matter is that with the
>>> advent of technology - people are taking advantage of the ease of
>>>
>> downloads
>>
>>> and literally bankrupting an otherwise thriving industry.
>>>
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