Re: The State of the CCIE Training Industry

Brian,

please keep INE alive, I just recently bought the SP material and I'd love
to see that updated a little... :)

While saying that, I think the training vendors should ALSO invest (more) on
the other tracks... if you are just a newcomer you might think it's R&S or
nothing. I know Cisco's next blow is the Voice 360... but hey, there are
other tracks too... why not give them a little (more) attention?
 *(And just for the record, I (well, the company) bought the R&S material as
well in the past... 5 printed and 3 eletronics sets if I am not mistaken.
I'm doing my part helping you guys :D)*
I agree with Darby, however, that piracy is the damnation of any training
material (not Cisco-exclusive). Cannot think of a way out of it, however...
:(

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Brian Dennis <
bdennis_at_internetworkexpert.com> wrote:

> As an FYI I'm not dead as rumored in the previous email ;-)
>
> I'll post an update to our blog tonight or tomorrow letting people know
> what's going on at INE since a few people seem to be making up some crazy
> off the wall rumors. Basically we're just starting the process of opening
> up additional operations in the Seattle, WA area where I now currently
> live. Although Reno, NV is a nice place the amount of high tech workers
> is very limited to say the least. This wasn't a problem when we were
> smaller but now we can't continue to grow with the limited high tech
> workforce in the Reno area.
>
> In order to continue to grow we need to have offices in an area that has a
> good technical workforce to select from. Just trying to find a good
> full-time PHP web developer or CCNA in Reno is a real struggle. This of
> course isn't the case in the Seattle area. Additionally flights to the
> Seattle area for students attending classes are far better than the
> limited selection of flights to the Reno area. Also the selection of
> hotels for students is far better here in Seattle over Reno.
>
> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
> bdennis_at_internetworkexpert.com
>
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anthony Faria" <tfaria72_at_gmail.com>
> Sent: Sun, July 12, 2009 21:01
> Subject:Re: The State of the CCIE Training Industry
>
>
> Were the blog hits low this week Darby ? LOL Really bro if you spent as
> much
> time writing as you did studying you would be done with multiple ccie. I
> think you are a skilled wirter I think you should apply at a e IT magazine
> or something. Not trying to slam you bro but sometimes you are over the
> top.
> Things change and so do companies it is a fact of life. The stuff you
> originally bought was probably two lab versions ago. So if 5 years later
> the
> company goes under well shit you got your money worth. So please keep your
> posts to your blog on this stuff . If you are going to help and answer
> questions step up do some good instead of being war time media coverage. I
> seen Waynes alien Baby damn he is ugly!!! He sounded like Scott from the
> audio series though LOL JK Scott.
>
> Tony
>
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hey don't take it quite so personal. Well I'd better take a step back on
> > that one as you are currently working for one of the companies that other
> > companies are talking about lately.
> >
> > What I saw at the conference was a certain sense of fear of what is
> > happening and there is a lot of fallout from that fear and uncertainty.
> >
> > Some said InternetworkExpert is going through some rough times and the
> only
> > two viable major companies left were: The Cisco CCIE 360 Consortium and
> > IPExpert.
> >
> > Narbik joined the 360 it seems.
> >
> > InternetworkExpert may be perceived as having loss a certain sense of
> > direction - I'm just summarizing here - The question that was used for a
> > basis is "What's happening with Brian Dennis and the CCIE 2.0 Program?".
> >
> > Don't take it that badly - I just gave you insight into what your
> > competition is thinking and you should consider my words carefully.
> >
> > It was that line of reasoning that got me worried a bit last night.
> >
> > Technically IE has the killer product - The PolyLabs and they are quite
> > innovative, creative, and quite possibly the single most act of genius
> > created in a while. Simple plan and very nice exectution.
> >
> > IPExpert is expanding its borders.
> >
> > Cisco CCIE 360 is doing the same (kinda reminds me of pirates on the high
> > seas but hey it I'd hope someone is making money from it - ). Hah! Hey
> > they had to get the instructors from somewhere.
> >
> > I'm kinda wondering when Scott Morris is going to go independent
> actually.
> > You of all people have the name, reputation, sincerity, and technical
> > expertise to pull it off. And you get back to people and everyone know
> > it.
> >
> >
> >
> > I recall one instuctor saying he earned in 5 weeks at one point what took
> > him almost a whole year to earn working for an employer. And of course
> he
> > is a very passionate instructor too.
> >
> > I kind of see one side trying to pick up all the chips or cash in the
> chips
> > that don't play the game.
> >
> >
> > The piracy thing is the single biggest attack on the CCIE program and it
> is
> > a hard one to beat. Companies want to sell en masse and as long as that
> is
> > working - great. However, we have a very limited market and only so many
> > candiates at a given time.
> >
> > I'm trying to say the Troubleshooting Section if delivered in classes and
> > in
> > classes alone, then it may help turn this thing around. But it won't
> work
> > if all companies and individuals don't come together to nip it in the
> bud.
> >
> >
> > Hey just an opinion.
> >
> > If trainers are selling 10,000 copies electroinically instead of say 10
> or
> > even 100, then by all means carry on.
> >
> > If you ain't selling enough copies to justify the production costs (as
> has
> > been said to me privately), then you might want to take my observance
> into
> > account.
> >
> > Of course copy machines abound - but the real output ought to be in the
> > class room itself and presentation.
> >
> > Scott you are quite legendary at this and you of all people would be a
> > person to profit from such a situation.
> >
> > Time are changing. Sorry to kick things back to the stone ages, but
> > security is not quite so secure on intellectual property these days.
> > Handle
> > with care.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
> >
> > > So your shock and awe about two companies left in the end was meant to
> > > educate everyone that people stealing the digital downloads is bad?
> > that's
> > > a very strange way of delivering that message.
> > >
> > > And no, I haven't read your wiki. Didn't know you had one because I
> > > haven't really had the need to Google you and find out what things were
> > or
> > > were not posted by/about you.
> > >
> > > Next thing you know you're going to go with all-out exclusive-photos of
> > > Wayne Lawson's Alien Baby. And I just really don't think that's
> > necessary.
> > > That's a private family matter.
> > >
> > > ;)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *Scott Morris*, CCIE*x4* (R&amp;amp;S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
> Provider)
> #4713,
> > >
> > > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> > >
> > > JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> > >
> > > evil_at_ine.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > >
> > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> > >
> > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > >
> > > Outside US: 775-826-4344
> > >
> > >
> > > Knowledge is power.
> > >
> > > Power corrupts.
> > >
> > > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Darby Weaver wrote:
> > >
> > > FYI -
> > >
> > > I'm not so much concerned with Brian Dennis and whether or not he's
> still
> > > with IE, I would hope he is, but if he's not I do not see such a
> talented
> > > individual being without options.
> > >
> > > I'm not so much as concerned about my nose and whether or not it is
> > broken
> > > or not. (I guess someone never read my Wiki).
> > >
> > > I am concerned about my general investment in the CCIE Program. That
> is
> > the
> > > point of the matter.
> > >
> > >
> > > I am concerned when I see CCIE Instructors and Content Developers
> > speaking
> > > of no longer being able to make a living at their expectations in this
> > > industry. This concerns me and if you have invested money in some of
> > these
> > > programs and have a vested interest then it may or may not concern you.
> > >
> > > The tabloid thing catches the eye - but the real matter is that with
> the
> > > advent of technology - people are taking advantage of the ease of
> > downloads
> > > and literally bankrupting an otherwise thriving industry.
> > >
> > >
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