Re: The State of the CCIE Training Industry

Hey don't take it quite so personal. Well I'd better take a step back on
that one as you are currently working for one of the companies that other
companies are talking about lately.

What I saw at the conference was a certain sense of fear of what is
happening and there is a lot of fallout from that fear and uncertainty.

Some said InternetworkExpert is going through some rough times and the only
two viable major companies left were: The Cisco CCIE 360 Consortium and
IPExpert.

Narbik joined the 360 it seems.

InternetworkExpert may be perceived as having loss a certain sense of
direction - I'm just summarizing here - The question that was used for a
basis is "What's happening with Brian Dennis and the CCIE 2.0 Program?".

Don't take it that badly - I just gave you insight into what your
competition is thinking and you should consider my words carefully.

It was that line of reasoning that got me worried a bit last night.

Technically IE has the killer product - The PolyLabs and they are quite
innovative, creative, and quite possibly the single most act of genius
created in a while. Simple plan and very nice exectution.

IPExpert is expanding its borders.

Cisco CCIE 360 is doing the same (kinda reminds me of pirates on the high
seas but hey it I'd hope someone is making money from it - ). Hah! Hey
they had to get the instructors from somewhere.

I'm kinda wondering when Scott Morris is going to go independent actually.
You of all people have the name, reputation, sincerity, and technical
expertise to pull it off. And you get back to people and everyone know it.

I recall one instuctor saying he earned in 5 weeks at one point what took
him almost a whole year to earn working for an employer. And of course he
is a very passionate instructor too.

I kind of see one side trying to pick up all the chips or cash in the chips
that don't play the game.

The piracy thing is the single biggest attack on the CCIE program and it is
a hard one to beat. Companies want to sell en masse and as long as that is
working - great. However, we have a very limited market and only so many
candiates at a given time.

I'm trying to say the Troubleshooting Section if delivered in classes and in
classes alone, then it may help turn this thing around. But it won't work
if all companies and individuals don't come together to nip it in the bud.

Hey just an opinion.

If trainers are selling 10,000 copies electroinically instead of say 10 or
even 100, then by all means carry on.

If you ain't selling enough copies to justify the production costs (as has
been said to me privately), then you might want to take my observance into
account.

Of course copy machines abound - but the real output ought to be in the
class room itself and presentation.

Scott you are quite legendary at this and you of all people would be a
person to profit from such a situation.

Time are changing. Sorry to kick things back to the stone ages, but
security is not quite so secure on intellectual property these days. Handle
with care.

On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:

> So your shock and awe about two companies left in the end was meant to
> educate everyone that people stealing the digital downloads is bad? that's
> a very strange way of delivering that message.
>
> And no, I haven't read your wiki. Didn't know you had one because I
> haven't really had the need to Google you and find out what things were or
> were not posted by/about you.
>
> Next thing you know you're going to go with all-out exclusive-photos of
> Wayne Lawson's Alien Baby. And I just really don't think that's necessary.
> That's a private family matter.
>
> ;)
>
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> *Scott Morris*, CCIE*x4* (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
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> Darby Weaver wrote:
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> FYI -
>
> I'm not so much concerned with Brian Dennis and whether or not he's still
> with IE, I would hope he is, but if he's not I do not see such a talented
> individual being without options.
>
> I'm not so much as concerned about my nose and whether or not it is broken
> or not. (I guess someone never read my Wiki).
>
> I am concerned about my general investment in the CCIE Program. That is the
> point of the matter.
>
>
> I am concerned when I see CCIE Instructors and Content Developers speaking
> of no longer being able to make a living at their expectations in this
> industry. This concerns me and if you have invested money in some of these
> programs and have a vested interest then it may or may not concern you.
>
> The tabloid thing catches the eye - but the real matter is that with the
> advent of technology - people are taking advantage of the ease of downloads
> and literally bankrupting an otherwise thriving industry.
>
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