Re: The State of the CCIE Training Industry

Were the blog hits low this week Darby ? LOL Really bro if you spent as much
time writing as you did studying you would be done with multiple ccie. I
think you are a skilled wirter I think you should apply at a e IT magazine
or something. Not trying to slam you bro but sometimes you are over the top.
Things change and so do companies it is a fact of life. The stuff you
originally bought was probably two lab versions ago. So if 5 years later the
company goes under well shit you got your money worth. So please keep your
posts to your blog on this stuff . If you are going to help and answer
questions step up do some good instead of being war time media coverage. I
seen Waynes alien Baby damn he is ugly!!! He sounded like Scott from the
audio series though LOL JK Scott.

Tony

On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Hey don't take it quite so personal. Well I'd better take a step back on
> that one as you are currently working for one of the companies that other
> companies are talking about lately.
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> What I saw at the conference was a certain sense of fear of what is
> happening and there is a lot of fallout from that fear and uncertainty.
>
> Some said InternetworkExpert is going through some rough times and the only
> two viable major companies left were: The Cisco CCIE 360 Consortium and
> IPExpert.
>
> Narbik joined the 360 it seems.
>
> InternetworkExpert may be perceived as having loss a certain sense of
> direction - I'm just summarizing here - The question that was used for a
> basis is "What's happening with Brian Dennis and the CCIE 2.0 Program?".
>
> Don't take it that badly - I just gave you insight into what your
> competition is thinking and you should consider my words carefully.
>
> It was that line of reasoning that got me worried a bit last night.
>
> Technically IE has the killer product - The PolyLabs and they are quite
> innovative, creative, and quite possibly the single most act of genius
> created in a while. Simple plan and very nice exectution.
>
> IPExpert is expanding its borders.
>
> Cisco CCIE 360 is doing the same (kinda reminds me of pirates on the high
> seas but hey it I'd hope someone is making money from it - ). Hah! Hey
> they had to get the instructors from somewhere.
>
> I'm kinda wondering when Scott Morris is going to go independent actually.
> You of all people have the name, reputation, sincerity, and technical
> expertise to pull it off. And you get back to people and everyone know
> it.
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> I recall one instuctor saying he earned in 5 weeks at one point what took
> him almost a whole year to earn working for an employer. And of course he
> is a very passionate instructor too.
>
> I kind of see one side trying to pick up all the chips or cash in the chips
> that don't play the game.
>
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> The piracy thing is the single biggest attack on the CCIE program and it is
> a hard one to beat. Companies want to sell en masse and as long as that is
> working - great. However, we have a very limited market and only so many
> candiates at a given time.
>
> I'm trying to say the Troubleshooting Section if delivered in classes and
> in
> classes alone, then it may help turn this thing around. But it won't work
> if all companies and individuals don't come together to nip it in the bud.
>
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> Hey just an opinion.
>
> If trainers are selling 10,000 copies electroinically instead of say 10 or
> even 100, then by all means carry on.
>
> If you ain't selling enough copies to justify the production costs (as has
> been said to me privately), then you might want to take my observance into
> account.
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> Of course copy machines abound - but the real output ought to be in the
> class room itself and presentation.
>
> Scott you are quite legendary at this and you of all people would be a
> person to profit from such a situation.
>
> Time are changing. Sorry to kick things back to the stone ages, but
> security is not quite so secure on intellectual property these days.
> Handle
> with care.
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> On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
>
> > So your shock and awe about two companies left in the end was meant to
> > educate everyone that people stealing the digital downloads is bad?
> that's
> > a very strange way of delivering that message.
> >
> > And no, I haven't read your wiki. Didn't know you had one because I
> > haven't really had the need to Google you and find out what things were
> or
> > were not posted by/about you.
> >
> > Next thing you know you're going to go with all-out exclusive-photos of
> > Wayne Lawson's Alien Baby. And I just really don't think that's
> necessary.
> > That's a private family matter.
> >
> > ;)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Scott Morris*, CCIE*x4* (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
> >
> > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> >
> > JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> >
> > evil_at_ine.com
> >
> >
> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >
> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> >
> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> >
> > Outside US: 775-826-4344
> >
> >
> > Knowledge is power.
> >
> > Power corrupts.
> >
> > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> >
> >
> >
> > Darby Weaver wrote:
> >
> > FYI -
> >
> > I'm not so much concerned with Brian Dennis and whether or not he's still
> > with IE, I would hope he is, but if he's not I do not see such a talented
> > individual being without options.
> >
> > I'm not so much as concerned about my nose and whether or not it is
> broken
> > or not. (I guess someone never read my Wiki).
> >
> > I am concerned about my general investment in the CCIE Program. That is
> the
> > point of the matter.
> >
> >
> > I am concerned when I see CCIE Instructors and Content Developers
> speaking
> > of no longer being able to make a living at their expectations in this
> > industry. This concerns me and if you have invested money in some of
> these
> > programs and have a vested interest then it may or may not concern you.
> >
> > The tabloid thing catches the eye - but the real matter is that with the
> > advent of technology - people are taking advantage of the ease of
> downloads
> > and literally bankrupting an otherwise thriving industry.
> >
> >
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