Re: CCIE Certification - OT

I would take it a step further Sense doesn't make Cents....

Thanks
Larry Hadrava
CCIE #12203 CCNP
Sr. Support Engineer  IPexpert, Inc.
URL: http://www.IPexpert.com

On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 12:46 AM, Travis Niedens <niedentj_at_hotmail.com>wrote:

> WOW ! Makes sense but sense doesn't make sense these days.
>
>
>
> Travis
>
> > Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:41:01 -0400
> > Subject: Re: CCIE Certification - OT
> > From: ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com
> > To: georgeroman_at_gmail.com
> > CC: martin_at_kiefer.dk; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >
> > Hmmm....
> >
> > Here we go again... The Social Contract by Darby....
> >
> > Kinda works like this:
> >
> > 1. We want Pre-Nup. That is we want to be able to take our certifications
> > on the road. Otherwise, what was the point? Truly.
> >
> > 2. If we work for a company or partner then we expect a certain level of
> > compensation for our efforts and the company expects to pay a given a
> > compensation for that effort. Kewl.
> >
> > 3. If we get hired as a CCNA or CCNP and we later become a CCIE then
> you'd
> > think a given company might be happy about this: Bragging rights, Larger
> > discounts, Silver or Gold Status, Retain/Maintain Silver or Gold Status
> > etc. Usually larger discounts translate directly to $$$ aka that thing we
> > call revenue or just plain cash.
> >
> > 4. If the company values the employee (and other employees) then it
> stands
> > to reason that the company will do what's right or at least maintain the
> > facade of doing so. However, we live in a treacherous world sometimes and
> > this is just not the case. I can't understand why a company that profits
> on
> > its reputation would badger a person who customers probably look up to
> and
> > admire and attained a CCIE. Hmm... Penny wise and Pound Foolish.
> >
> > 5. Even companies like my little non-Cisco Partner plan on the event an
> > employee might attain a certification or even a CCIE and even have a
> written
> > policy for this event. Bonus, Raise, Reimbursement, and of course
> Training
> > to get there not to mention a little time off to take the exams. Note we
> > are not a Cisco partner either. It just makes sense to invest in people
> who
> > are in essence representing and / or supporting the company.
> >
> > When it doesn't work like this, I've seen this:
> >
> > 1. Employees (CCIE's) get a wild hair and decide they can start their own
> > firm. And since they know a lot of people who they currently support,
> they
> > whisper softly, and they make friends with their old clients and leave
> them
> > a forwarding address (after grumbling a bit sometimes). Ouch! Hate when
> > this happens. I saw two firms suffer at the hands of very trusted, very
> > technical, very business savvy former employees who became disgruntled
> and
> > one Fortune 500 that had the same problem from former employees - some
> might
> > say they were the brainshare and when they left they took their own
> clients
> > with them. Anyway any stupid former employer who seeks to burn CCIE's or
> > other very knowledgeable employees should be very mindful of this and
> many
> > are and forge very binding legal clauses. And then...
> >
> > 2. Those employers soon find they really have a hard time sueing their
> > former clientelle and expecting repeat business. Truly lovely paradox.
> And
> > they have a hard time depending on the State or other laws of seeking and
> > being awarded damages against the employees who poached the former
> > clientelle in the first place. Ouch!!! Lots of fun stuff there.
> >
> >
> > You see people have got to be allowed to go forth and earn a living and
> > competition is just that. It sucks to be an employer who is brain dead
> and
> > who must find out the hard way how life is and how legal trips and traps
> may
> > work.
> >
> > Now if anyone has ever seen a case where an employee has been made to
> > suffer, legally or otherwise, please let us know.
> >
> > Also if any company has ever been sued and lost to a Cisco employer or
> other
> > employer that would be interesting as well.
> >
> > Now the last guy who owned a company that I knew once upon a time even
> tried
> > to sue a City in Florida over a lost bid to another company where a
> former
> > employee joined the company and then used his credentials (he supported
> and
> > designed those networks you know) and won the bid. The former employer
> was
> > enraged and sued to his heart's content. Sad case of another broken heart
> > in Orlando.
> >
> > Funny thing - later that employee took the majority of the tech talent
> from
> > second company (a Cisco Partner) and took a nice portion of their clients
> > too. Seemed like a habitual thing to me.
> >
> >
> > Moral of Story: It's not wise to step on the toes of those whose asses
> you
> > may have to kiss tomorrow - or something like that.
> >
> > Again we do have a court system - look in Orange County Florida for a
> > precedent or two if you are the rogue employee soon to be
> > entrepreneur/tycoon.
> >
> >
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