Re: CCIE Certification - OT

and a possible (pessimistic) recession scenario.. cents won't make much
of a sense soon. :-)

A.

Larry Hadrava wrote:
> I would take it a step further Sense doesn't make Cents....
>
> Thanks
> Larry Hadrava
> CCIE #12203 CCNP
> Sr. Support Engineer  IPexpert, Inc.
> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 12:46 AM, Travis Niedens <niedentj_at_hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>> WOW ! Makes sense but sense doesn't make sense these days.
>>
>>
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>>> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:41:01 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: CCIE Certification - OT
>>> From: ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com
>>> To: georgeroman_at_gmail.com
>>> CC: martin_at_kiefer.dk; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>
>> >
>>
>>> Hmmm....
>>>
>>> Here we go again... The Social Contract by Darby....
>>>
>>> Kinda works like this:
>>>
>>> 1. We want Pre-Nup. That is we want to be able to take our certifications
>>> on the road. Otherwise, what was the point? Truly.
>>>
>>> 2. If we work for a company or partner then we expect a certain level of
>>> compensation for our efforts and the company expects to pay a given a
>>> compensation for that effort. Kewl.
>>>
>>> 3. If we get hired as a CCNA or CCNP and we later become a CCIE then
>>>
>> you'd
>>
>>> think a given company might be happy about this: Bragging rights, Larger
>>> discounts, Silver or Gold Status, Retain/Maintain Silver or Gold Status
>>> etc. Usually larger discounts translate directly to $$$ aka that thing we
>>> call revenue or just plain cash.
>>>
>>> 4. If the company values the employee (and other employees) then it
>>>
>> stands
>>
>>> to reason that the company will do what's right or at least maintain the
>>> facade of doing so. However, we live in a treacherous world sometimes and
>>> this is just not the case. I can't understand why a company that profits
>>>
>> on
>>
>>> its reputation would badger a person who customers probably look up to
>>>
>> and
>>
>>> admire and attained a CCIE. Hmm... Penny wise and Pound Foolish.
>>>
>>> 5. Even companies like my little non-Cisco Partner plan on the event an
>>> employee might attain a certification or even a CCIE and even have a
>>>
>> written
>>
>>> policy for this event. Bonus, Raise, Reimbursement, and of course
>>>
>> Training
>>
>>> to get there not to mention a little time off to take the exams. Note we
>>> are not a Cisco partner either. It just makes sense to invest in people
>>>
>> who
>>
>>> are in essence representing and / or supporting the company.
>>>
>>> When it doesn't work like this, I've seen this:
>>>
>>> 1. Employees (CCIE's) get a wild hair and decide they can start their own
>>> firm. And since they know a lot of people who they currently support,
>>>
>> they
>>
>>> whisper softly, and they make friends with their old clients and leave
>>>
>> them
>>
>>> a forwarding address (after grumbling a bit sometimes). Ouch! Hate when
>>> this happens. I saw two firms suffer at the hands of very trusted, very
>>> technical, very business savvy former employees who became disgruntled
>>>
>> and
>>
>>> one Fortune 500 that had the same problem from former employees - some
>>>
>> might
>>
>>> say they were the brainshare and when they left they took their own
>>>
>> clients
>>
>>> with them. Anyway any stupid former employer who seeks to burn CCIE's or
>>> other very knowledgeable employees should be very mindful of this and
>>>
>> many
>>
>>> are and forge very binding legal clauses. And then...
>>>
>>> 2. Those employers soon find they really have a hard time sueing their
>>> former clientelle and expecting repeat business. Truly lovely paradox.
>>>
>> And
>>
>>> they have a hard time depending on the State or other laws of seeking and
>>> being awarded damages against the employees who poached the former
>>> clientelle in the first place. Ouch!!! Lots of fun stuff there.
>>>
>>>
>>> You see people have got to be allowed to go forth and earn a living and
>>> competition is just that. It sucks to be an employer who is brain dead
>>>
>> and
>>
>>> who must find out the hard way how life is and how legal trips and traps
>>>
>> may
>>
>>> work.
>>>
>>> Now if anyone has ever seen a case where an employee has been made to
>>> suffer, legally or otherwise, please let us know.
>>>
>>> Also if any company has ever been sued and lost to a Cisco employer or
>>>
>> other
>>
>>> employer that would be interesting as well.
>>>
>>> Now the last guy who owned a company that I knew once upon a time even
>>>
>> tried
>>
>>> to sue a City in Florida over a lost bid to another company where a
>>>
>> former
>>
>>> employee joined the company and then used his credentials (he supported
>>>
>> and
>>
>>> designed those networks you know) and won the bid. The former employer
>>>
>> was
>>
>>> enraged and sued to his heart's content. Sad case of another broken heart
>>> in Orlando.
>>>
>>> Funny thing - later that employee took the majority of the tech talent
>>>
>> from
>>
>>> second company (a Cisco Partner) and took a nice portion of their clients
>>> too. Seemed like a habitual thing to me.
>>>
>>>
>>> Moral of Story: It's not wise to step on the toes of those whose asses
>>>
>> you
>>
>>> may have to kiss tomorrow - or something like that.
>>>
>>> Again we do have a court system - look in Orange County Florida for a
>>> precedent or two if you are the rogue employee soon to be
>>> entrepreneur/tycoon.
>>>
>>>
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