RE: CCIE Certification - OT

WOW ! Makes sense but sense doesn't make sense these days.

Travis

> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:41:01 -0400
> Subject: Re: CCIE Certification - OT
> From: ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com
> To: georgeroman_at_gmail.com
> CC: martin_at_kiefer.dk; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>
> Hmmm....
>
> Here we go again... The Social Contract by Darby....
>
> Kinda works like this:
>
> 1. We want Pre-Nup. That is we want to be able to take our certifications
> on the road. Otherwise, what was the point? Truly.
>
> 2. If we work for a company or partner then we expect a certain level of
> compensation for our efforts and the company expects to pay a given a
> compensation for that effort. Kewl.
>
> 3. If we get hired as a CCNA or CCNP and we later become a CCIE then you'd
> think a given company might be happy about this: Bragging rights, Larger
> discounts, Silver or Gold Status, Retain/Maintain Silver or Gold Status
> etc. Usually larger discounts translate directly to $$$ aka that thing we
> call revenue or just plain cash.
>
> 4. If the company values the employee (and other employees) then it stands
> to reason that the company will do what's right or at least maintain the
> facade of doing so. However, we live in a treacherous world sometimes and
> this is just not the case. I can't understand why a company that profits on
> its reputation would badger a person who customers probably look up to and
> admire and attained a CCIE. Hmm... Penny wise and Pound Foolish.
>
> 5. Even companies like my little non-Cisco Partner plan on the event an
> employee might attain a certification or even a CCIE and even have a
written
> policy for this event. Bonus, Raise, Reimbursement, and of course Training
> to get there not to mention a little time off to take the exams. Note we
> are not a Cisco partner either. It just makes sense to invest in people who
> are in essence representing and / or supporting the company.
>
> When it doesn't work like this, I've seen this:
>
> 1. Employees (CCIE's) get a wild hair and decide they can start their own
> firm. And since they know a lot of people who they currently support, they
> whisper softly, and they make friends with their old clients and leave them
> a forwarding address (after grumbling a bit sometimes). Ouch! Hate when
> this happens. I saw two firms suffer at the hands of very trusted, very
> technical, very business savvy former employees who became disgruntled and
> one Fortune 500 that had the same problem from former employees - some
might
> say they were the brainshare and when they left they took their own clients
> with them. Anyway any stupid former employer who seeks to burn CCIE's or
> other very knowledgeable employees should be very mindful of this and many
> are and forge very binding legal clauses. And then...
>
> 2. Those employers soon find they really have a hard time sueing their
> former clientelle and expecting repeat business. Truly lovely paradox. And
> they have a hard time depending on the State or other laws of seeking and
> being awarded damages against the employees who poached the former
> clientelle in the first place. Ouch!!! Lots of fun stuff there.
>
>
> You see people have got to be allowed to go forth and earn a living and
> competition is just that. It sucks to be an employer who is brain dead and
> who must find out the hard way how life is and how legal trips and traps
may
> work.
>
> Now if anyone has ever seen a case where an employee has been made to
> suffer, legally or otherwise, please let us know.
>
> Also if any company has ever been sued and lost to a Cisco employer or
other
> employer that would be interesting as well.
>
> Now the last guy who owned a company that I knew once upon a time even
tried
> to sue a City in Florida over a lost bid to another company where a former
> employee joined the company and then used his credentials (he supported and
> designed those networks you know) and won the bid. The former employer was
> enraged and sued to his heart's content. Sad case of another broken heart
> in Orlando.
>
> Funny thing - later that employee took the majority of the tech talent from
> second company (a Cisco Partner) and took a nice portion of their clients
> too. Seemed like a habitual thing to me.
>
>
> Moral of Story: It's not wise to step on the toes of those whose asses you
> may have to kiss tomorrow - or something like that.
>
> Again we do have a court system - look in Orange County Florida for a
> precedent or two if you are the rogue employee soon to be
> entrepreneur/tycoon.
>
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