Re: OEQ - Scope ??

I think it boils down to knowing the technologies and how they interact with
each other. This is one of the keys to passing the lab. The lab is a series
of tasks that are put together in such a manner that there will be some
items that if the candidate does not understand the total of technology A
with technology B there will be a problem.

So I can see from one standpoint how the OeQ's could be considered a wayto
weed out those that might be able to memorize commands to meet a requirement
with out really understanding the underlying technology fully.

For instance, if you did not understand about OSPF fully but memorized how
to get the loopback to show up as a /32 in the routing table, you could meet
the requirement of the lab section. If asked to explain why this happens in
an question that candidate would probably have a problem.

Thanks
Larry Hadrava
CCIE #12203 CCNP
Sr. Support Engineer  IPexpert, Inc.
URL: http://www.IPexpert.com

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Gary Duncanson <
gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com> wrote:

> I do wonder if it's to discriminate against folks who dump the written
> quite frankly. So now we have 4 tests to pass instead of 2. Written. OEQ.
> Lab. Troubleshooting.
>
> That said, with a hard earned written under your belt with plenty of
> reading the OEQ's should be fine.
>
> Regards
> Gary
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darby Weaver" <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>
> To: "Ravi Singh" <way2ccie_at_googlemail.com>
> Cc: <smorris_at_ine.com>; "Cisco certification" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>;
> "Anthony Sequeira" <asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 3:50 AM
> Subject: Re: OEQ - Scope ??
>
>
> Ravi,
>>
>> Let me help you a bit. In the CCIE TECCCIE-3004 Techtorial, given by
>> Steve
>> Barnes, about 30-40 OEQ's were shared with the attendees rather quickly
>> and
>> only a couple of the entire bunch seemed to stump the whole group. I
>> think
>> I changed my mind on like one of them and missed one or two others at
>> first
>> glance. After a while he was moving pretty quickly and I was taking notes
>> of the OEQ's.
>>
>> Let's see - if I could sum them all up in a few words:
>>
>> They seem to be derivatives of items that might be found in the CCIE
>> Written
>> Book by Cisco Press overall.
>>
>> They are mostly fair questions. Not that you'll find most of them in any
>> test bank anywhere.
>>
>> They are probably more "experience" and "observation" of any given
>> protocol
>> more than anything else - by this I mean if you have been configuring
>> protocols while preparing for the CCIE Lab then you probably stumbled on
>> OEQ's the entire time if you ever asked yourself questions like "Why does
>> it
>> work this way", "When does this happen", what are some attributes of this
>> or
>> that feature or command, etc.
>>
>> The essence of the OEQ is simple: Discrimination.
>>
>> The OEQ's were called a "Discriminator".
>>
>> The idea is to discriminate against those people who score say 100% on
>> Frame
>> Relay over OSPF and use the Priority 0 command and can configure it
>> perfectly and yet when asked a question about this scenario have not the
>> first idea on why a person might even use the priority command - for
>> example.
>>
>>
>> So a well-qualified candiate would do well and gain an easy 21 points. A
>> paper tiger will lose those same 21 points and thus fail the lab.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Ravi Singh <way2ccie_at_googlemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Scott and Anthony for increasing my worry levels ;-) .. Just
>>> Kidding.. Thank you guys ..I was misinterpreting Core Knowledge as Core
>>> Technology Topics on the exam...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ravi
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > According to the CCIE team, the scope is "any topic on the lab
>>> > blueprint". That certainly leaves a lot to the imagination. >
>>> Especially
>>> > given how vague the blueprint can be!
>>> >
>>> > I can tell you they will NOT ask about token ring or ATM. :) Beyond
>>> that,
>>> > follow the blueprint!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > *Scott Morris*, CCIE*x4* (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) >
>>> #4713,
>>> >
>>> > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>> >
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>>> >
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>>> >
>>> >
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Ravi Singh wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hello everyone,
>>> >
>>> > I am not sure if this has been discussed before, apologies if it has
>>> been,
>>> > but what all, as per you, can be classifed as "Core Knowledge" for the
>>> > OEQs. Is it just the routing protocols, WAN and switching or is it the
>>> > entire blueprint ..Considering the scope of the OEQs , what all areas
>>> should
>>> > be stressed upon and what can be ignored(only from the perspective of >
>>> the
>>> > OEQs) ..
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for all the incoming inputs
>>> >
>>> > Ravi
>>> >
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