Re: OEQ - Scope ??

I do wonder if it's to discriminate against folks who dump the written quite
frankly. So now we have 4 tests to pass instead of 2. Written. OEQ. Lab.
Troubleshooting.

That said, with a hard earned written under your belt with plenty of reading
the OEQ's should be fine.

Regards
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darby Weaver" <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>
To: "Ravi Singh" <way2ccie_at_googlemail.com>
Cc: <smorris_at_ine.com>; "Cisco certification" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>;
"Anthony Sequeira" <asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com>
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 3:50 AM
Subject: Re: OEQ - Scope ??

> Ravi,
>
> Let me help you a bit. In the CCIE TECCCIE-3004 Techtorial, given by
> Steve
> Barnes, about 30-40 OEQ's were shared with the attendees rather quickly
> and
> only a couple of the entire bunch seemed to stump the whole group. I
> think
> I changed my mind on like one of them and missed one or two others at
> first
> glance. After a while he was moving pretty quickly and I was taking notes
> of the OEQ's.
>
> Let's see - if I could sum them all up in a few words:
>
> They seem to be derivatives of items that might be found in the CCIE
> Written
> Book by Cisco Press overall.
>
> They are mostly fair questions. Not that you'll find most of them in any
> test bank anywhere.
>
> They are probably more "experience" and "observation" of any given
> protocol
> more than anything else - by this I mean if you have been configuring
> protocols while preparing for the CCIE Lab then you probably stumbled on
> OEQ's the entire time if you ever asked yourself questions like "Why does
> it
> work this way", "When does this happen", what are some attributes of this
> or
> that feature or command, etc.
>
> The essence of the OEQ is simple: Discrimination.
>
> The OEQ's were called a "Discriminator".
>
> The idea is to discriminate against those people who score say 100% on
> Frame
> Relay over OSPF and use the Priority 0 command and can configure it
> perfectly and yet when asked a question about this scenario have not the
> first idea on why a person might even use the priority command - for
> example.
>
>
> So a well-qualified candiate would do well and gain an easy 21 points. A
> paper tiger will lose those same 21 points and thus fail the lab.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Ravi Singh <way2ccie_at_googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Scott and Anthony for increasing my worry levels ;-) .. Just
>> Kidding.. Thank you guys ..I was misinterpreting Core Knowledge as Core
>> Technology Topics on the exam...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ravi
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
>>
>> > According to the CCIE team, the scope is "any topic on the lab
>> > blueprint". That certainly leaves a lot to the imagination.
>> > Especially
>> > given how vague the blueprint can be!
>> >
>> > I can tell you they will NOT ask about token ring or ATM. :) Beyond
>> that,
>> > follow the blueprint!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *Scott Morris*, CCIE*x4* (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
>> > #4713,
>> >
>> > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>> >
>> > JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> > Ravi Singh wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello everyone,
>> >
>> > I am not sure if this has been discussed before, apologies if it has
>> been,
>> > but what all, as per you, can be classifed as "Core Knowledge" for the
>> > OEQs. Is it just the routing protocols, WAN and switching or is it the
>> > entire blueprint ..Considering the scope of the OEQs , what all areas
>> should
>> > be stressed upon and what can be ignored(only from the perspective of
>> > the
>> > OEQs) ..
>> >
>> > Thanks for all the incoming inputs
>> >
>> > Ravi
>> >
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