Re: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking

Gang -

      For what it's worth - I don't think this will have that much of
a negative impact on the perception of the CCIE certification any time
soon. We all know that the CCIE shows expert-level knowledge as it
relates to hands-on abilities within that specific designation or
track. To me, the CCDE and CCA go hand-in-hand and are more "design"
focused - not necessarily showing the ability to configure and
troubleshoot. Back in 98 and 99 when I was at Cisco, shortly after
passing my R&S lab - I was doing more design work as a Cisco SE and
less hands on (I was really awesome at Visio and could rattle off
Cisco part numbers, but couldn't configure an IP address! -grin-).
After about 6 months - I literally forgot about 75% of what I studied
for to pass the lab - but I could design networks, conceptually, with
the best of them. Honestly, I'm not sure how Cisco can say that this
certification is more advanced than the CCIE - because it seems to me
like it's a different focus / skillset. Regardless, the CCIE is still
the certification to have - showing expert status and ability to
install, configure and troubleshoot. Now, over a year after announcing
the CCDE, there are still just 3 of them (from what I know) - that
means there are only 3 CCA candidates....so it's going to be a
veeerrrry long time before the CCDE or CCA have a major impact on the
CCIEs and their salaries / reputation. All-in-all - don't worry -
CCIEs still rock! ;-)

Regards,

Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244
Founder, President & CEO:
- IPexpert, Inc.
- Proctor Labs, Inc.
- Platinum Solutions Group, LLC.
Mailto: wlawson_at_ipexpert.com
Mobile: +1.810.334.1564

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On Jun 29, 2009, at 12:45 PM, Lala Lander <sshafi_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Joe... just take it easy as this announcement is impacting us all.
> CCIE was
> always a "support" or "operations" oriented certification but CCIEs
> were
> also doing Design and Architect work as there was no other higher
> level
> cert. Cisco knew it and hence introduced CCDE and now CCA. It is just
> evolution and not revolution so just take it easy.
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Joe Astorino
> <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>wrote:
>
>> Yeah really...I don't want to sound too upset here, but I feel like
>> I just
>> got kicked in the balls. How do the rest of you CCIEs out there
>> feel about
>> this announcement, since in my opinion we have all essentially been
>> demoted?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Joe Astorino
>> CCIE #24347 (R&S)
>> Sr. Support Engineer - IPexpert, Inc.
>> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gary Duncanson [mailto:gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:38 PM
>> To: Joe Astorino
>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
>> Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
>>
>> I give up too. I'm just way too busy working as a Network Designer
>> to keep
>> up with all that stuff!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joe Astorino" <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>
>> To: "'Mike Kraus (mikraus)'" <mikraus_at_cisco.com>; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> >
>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:28 PM
>> Subject: RE: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
>> Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
>>
>>
>>> I give up...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Joe Astorino
>>> CCIE #24347 (R&S)
>>> Sr. Support Engineer - IPexpert, Inc.
>>> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> Mike
>>> Kraus (mikraus)
>>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:16 AM
>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
>>> Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
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