Re: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line

Don't be like that Darby. Your commentary is always welcome. Your integrity
too.

Charles

                                                                                                                                 
  From: Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>
                                                                                                                                 
  To: Sadiq Yakasai <sadiqtanko_at_gmail.com>
                                                                                                                                 
  Cc: ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com, Charles.Henson_at_regions.com, Jonny English <redkidneybeans_at_gmail.com>, Cisco certification
              <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>, Grant Stevenson <Grant.Stevenson_at_btinet.bt.com>, "nobody_at_groupstudy.com"
              <nobody_at_groupstudy.com>, Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>, Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com>, Shaughn Smith
              <Shaughn.Smith_at_mtnbusiness.co.za>
                                                                                                                                 
  Date: 06/15/2009 04:44 PM
                                                                                                                                 
  Subject: Re: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
                                                                                                                                 

I think my posts are filtered these days and are not suitable for GS.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Sadiq Yakasai <sadiqtanko_at_gmail.com>
wrote:
  LOL!!!:-)

  On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 4:11 PM, <ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Don't mention it!
> His ears may start ringing...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles.Henson_at_Regions.com
>
> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:05:22
> To: Jonny English<redkidneybeans_at_gmail.com>
> Cc: Cisco certification<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>; Grant Stevenson<
> Grant.Stevenson_at_btinet.bt.com>; nobody_at_groupstudy.com<
> nobody_at_groupstudy.com>; Radioactive Frog<pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>;
> ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com<ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com>; Ryan West<
> rwest_at_zyedge.com>; Shaughn Smith<Shaughn.Smith_at_mtnbusiness.co.za>
> Subject: Re: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
>
>
> It's been a little over a month. He may be focusing on some 3.0
  stuff....
>
> Charles
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Jonny English <redkidneybeans_at_gmail.com>
>
> To: Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>
>
> Cc: Charles.Henson_at_regions.com, Shaughn Smith <
> Shaughn.Smith_at_mtnbusiness.co.za>, Cisco certification
> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>, Grant Stevenson <
> Grant.Stevenson_at_btinet.bt.com>, "nobody_at_groupstudy.com"
> <nobody_at_groupstudy.com>, "ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com" <
> ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com>, Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com>
>
> Date: 06/15/2009 07:46 AM
>
> Subject: Re: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
>
>
>
>
>
>
> i think he's too busy tryin to fight crime....
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Radioactive Frog
> <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > has anyone seen Darby lately?
> >
> > I haven't seen his posts for a while!
> >
> > -frog
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > haha..........Darby! comon put your comments here..
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 1:08 AM, <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I did it to spin him up. He'd of replied already but he's typing a
> long
> > >> response....
> > >>
> > >> Charles
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> From: Shaughn Smith <Shaughn.Smith_at_mtnbusiness.co.za>
> > >>
> > >> To: "'Charles.Henson_at_Regions.com'"
> <Charles.Henson_at_Regions.com
> > >,
> > >> 'Grant Stevenson' <Grant.Stevenson_at_btinet.bt.com>
> > >>
> > >> Cc: 'Cisco certification' <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>, "'
> > >> nobody_at_groupstudy.com'" <nobody_at_groupstudy.com>,
> > >> "'ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com'" <ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com
>,
> > 'Ryan
> > >> West' <rwest_at_zyedge.com>
> > >>
> > >> Date: 06/05/2009 10:07 AM
> > >>
> > >> Subject: RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> " Now, there are other forums....."
> > >>
> > >> Oh oh, now you have done it. Darby is on they way ;)
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Charles.Henson_at_Regions.com [mailto:
  Charles.Henson_at_Regions.com]
> > >> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 5:04 PM
> > >> To: Grant Stevenson
> > >> Cc: Cisco certification; nobody_at_groupstudy.com;
> ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com
> > ;
> > >> Ryan West; Shaughn Smith
> > >> Subject: RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
> > >>
> > >> But he has a point. Aren't most of us closer to sociopaths than
  the
> > norm?
> > >> Or is that just during studies prior to the lab?
> > >>
> > >> Seriously though, I've been watching this forum a lot and I dig
  thru
> the
> > >> archive a lot and I rarely see things that make me question if
  someone
> > is
> > >> pushing the envelope and I'm not even certified (yet). Usually
  it's
> "why
> > >> does X make Y do this?" or "On vendor X lab 453 section 22.4
  bullet 58
> > why
> > >> does the tunnel cause recursive routing for my lonely RIPv2
  subnet?"
> So
> > I
> > >> think most folks generally see the line and understand not to
  cross
> it.
> > >> Now, there are other forums.....
> > >>
> > >> Charles
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> From: "Grant Stevenson" <Grant.Stevenson_at_btinet.bt.com>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> To: "Shaughn Smith" <Shaughn.Smith_at_mtnbusiness.co.za>,
  "Ryan
> > >> West" <rwest_at_zyedge.com>, <ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com>,
> > >> "Cisco certification" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Date: 06/05/2009 09:41 AM
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Subject: RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Cisco are not stupid, they want people to actively pursue the
> > >> certification trail. It is one of their better money spinners.
> > >>
> > >> Saying that, they have introduced Forensic Analyses in the written
> > >> exams, so who is to say they do not monitor these forums?
> > >>
> > >> GS is about learning to master a topic, not to cheat your way to
  CCIE,
> > >> if it was the latter Cisco would have closed this forum down a
  long
> time
> > >> ago.
> > >>
> > >> Some times people do get close to the mark when discussing a
  topic,
> but
> > >> so long as the discussion is not a direct take from an exam, I do
  not
> > >> believe there is much Cisco can do about it.
> > >>
> > >> So when asking questions, you are not really trying to find out
  what
> is
> > >> in the lab, you are trying to master a skill that you do not fully
> > >> understand. Do not mistake the two.
> > >>
> > >> Please remember if you break the NDA, you will either get a
  one-year
> or
> > >> possibly a life-time testing ban.
> > >>
> > >> Either one of those could finish your career in networking.
> > >>
> > >> Regards Grant
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
  Behalf
> Of
> > >> Shaughn Smith
> > >> Sent: 05 June 2009 15:19
> > >> To: 'Ryan West'; 'ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com'; 'Cisco certification'
> > >> Subject: RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
> > >>
> > >> Good point. I suppose everyone's moral compass is a bit different.
> > >>
> > >> I do know of people that have been contacted. Don't know results
  of
> the
> > >> enquiries though.
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Ryan West [mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com]
> > >> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 4:15 PM
> > >> To: Shaughn Smith; 'ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com'; 'Cisco
  certification'
> > >> Subject: RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
> > >>
> > >> The point is, not everyone lives by the same moral code. What is
> > >> completely acceptable by a sociopath is not acceptable by the
  norm.
> > >>
> > >> I'm still curious if anyone has either been contacted by Cisco
  about
> > >> this or known someone who has.
> > >>
> > >> -ryan
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Shaughn Smith [mailto:Shaughn.Smith_at_mtnbusiness.co.za]
> > >> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 9:44 AM
> > >> To: 'ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com'; Ryan West; 'Cisco certification'
> > >> Subject: RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
> > >>
> > >> Agreed.
> > >>
> > >> You should have a gut feeling as to what is allowed and what isnt.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> CCIE#23962
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
  Behalf
> Of
> > >> ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com
> > >> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 3:33 PM
> > >> To: Ryan West; Cisco certification
> > >> Subject: Re: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
> > >>
> > >> I think this is one of those questions that can be answered by-
> > >>
> > >> "If you have to think about it, then you shouldn't do it."
> > >>
> > >> I don't see how there can be any grey areas on this. Don't reveal
> > >> anything about the contents of the exam. If you were the
  recipient of
> > >> questionable info, don't pass it on. Do the right thing here.
> > >>
> > >> If it's public knowledge(blueprint), then no issues.
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com>
> > >>
> > >> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:30:56
> > >> To: Cisco certification<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > >> Subject: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> If you were to look through the archives, it's fairly easy to come
  up
> an
> > >> accurate picture of what to expect from the lab. Vendors and test
> > >> takers alike post information; such as test taking strategies and
> trends
> > >> in labs (having more IGP / Frame-Relay complete). I don't see
  people
> on
> > >> this list ever post exact examples of what their labs were like,
  but I
> > >> wanted to raise the question of what is considered
  acceptable. Has
> > >> anyone been contacted by Cisco and asked to stop being liberal
  with
> > >> information or had a more stringent penalty applied to them?
> > >>
> > >> I know the easy way out is to provide responses like, "If you
  study
> the
> > >> right way, you'll be fine." However, I was provided with helpful
> > >> information from those who had been through the process and I
  don't
> mind
> > >> giving back. Could you guys give some feedback of where you think
  the
> > >> line is and what might be considered gray?
> > >>
> > >> -ryan
> > >>
> > >>
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