Re: The Reason for failing?

Guys/Girls

Passing on the first go has some luck involved, the luck is that you guessed
what they wanted correctly, so that should NOT be the issue here. I don't
know how the subject turned around to this?
I have passed on first attempt and i am the first to tell you guys that it
was LUCK.

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Wayne Lawson <groupstudy_at_ipexpert.com>wrote:

> Ut oh, Jared - sounds like a challenge! ;-). I don't know though - Petr is
> sharp!.....
>
> Regards,
>
> Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244
> President & Founder - IPexpert, Inc.
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> On Jun 12, 2009, at 8:31 PM, Brian McGahan <
> bmcgahan_at_internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>
> Petr Lapukhov is 4 for 4 in R&S, Security, Service Provider, and Voice. I
>> think his goal in life is to make the rest of us look bad ;)
>>
>> Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
>> bmcgahan_at_INE.com
>>
>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
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>> On Jun 12, 2009, at 7:09 PM, Jared Scrivener <jscrivener_at_ipexpert.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> This is getting silly. Every vendor has students who pass on the first
>>> attempt, some on the second and some on the third. If the first attempt is
>>> so important, I'm keen to know if any other instructors have passed all
>>> their labs first go. Anyone? If not, it seems like that should be my new
>>> marketing angle. That said, I wouldn't have done it every time without
>>> IPexpert, that much I'm sure of.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Jared Scrivener CCIE #16983
>>>
>>> On Jun 12, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> I like to congratulate 2 of my students that passed the exam on their
>>>> first
>>>> attempt, these guys were in my Poland boot camp 5 months ago and they
>>>> also
>>>> repeated my boot camp three weeks ago as per my recommendation. They
>>>> followed my recommendations, and the end result is that they passed the
>>>> lab.
>>>> I believe you need to dig through each protocol, one at a time, and once
>>>> you
>>>> examine the hairs within that protocol, and you are able to answer all
>>>> of
>>>> YOUR questions, then, you are ready.
>>>>
>>>> Once again congratulations to:
>>>>
>>>> Dominick Nowicki 24543
>>>> Mariusz Trojanowski 24551
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Andrew Bruce Caslow <
>>>> abcaslow_at_netmasterclass.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Sameer,
>>>>>
>>>>> Along with mastering the inner-workings and behavior of specific
>>>>> protocols,
>>>>> what we have seen over the years is: successful CCIE candidates must
>>>>> also
>>>>> formulate a highly structured problem-solving AND verification
>>>>> approach.
>>>>>
>>>>> To get CCIE candidates in the correct frame of mind for starting the
>>>>> long
>>>>> journey of preparing for the CCIE lab, we begin the entire process by
>>>>> making
>>>>> this assertion that implicitly stressly the need for creating a
>>>>> structured
>>>>> problem solving approach:
>>>>>
>>>>> "CCIE candidates, we are going to prepare you to fulfill 'minimally
>>>>> described' configuration and troubleshooting tasks".
>>>>>
>>>>> We feel that this statement captures the essence of CCIE level
>>>>> problems:
>>>>> they are configuration and/or troubleshooting tasks that are "minimally
>>>>> described" BUT they might contain explicitly described restrictions.
>>>>> Regardless of how minimally described a CCIE level configuration task
>>>>> is, a
>>>>> CCIE candidate should be able to solve the task. They should know what
>>>>> to
>>>>> look for and know what questions to ask.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the Cisco 360 program, the problem solving approach we recommend for
>>>>> these "minimally described" types of problems is called "issue spotting
>>>>> and
>>>>> options analysis". Also, due to the strong influence of Bob Sinclair
>>>>> one of
>>>>> our Cisco 360 master instructors and lead content developers, heavy
>>>>> emphasis
>>>>> is placed on verification of a task, even more so than on the
>>>>> configuration
>>>>> of the task itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> By using a consistent problem solving and learning approach, CCIE
>>>>> candidates
>>>>> can use the same approach for each new protocol and technology they
>>>>> learn.
>>>>> While the technical topics may change, the problem solving and learning
>>>>> approach remains constant.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is why we say the CCIE lab is as much about measuring the mastery
>>>>> of
>>>>> protocols and technologies as it is about validating one's problem
>>>>> solving
>>>>> and analysis skills.
>>>>>
>>>>> To get a better understanding of this, check out some of the Cisco 360
>>>>> Video
>>>>> on Demand Lesson Modules. In particular, check out the Link-Layer (7
>>>>> hours
>>>>> of Video), IGP (6 hours) or BGP Lesson Modules (7 hours). Not only do
>>>>> these
>>>>> modules cover the stated technology, they apply the consistent "issue
>>>>> spotting and options analysis" problem solving approach. They are also
>>>>> bundled with Spot the Issues quizzes and hands-on technology focused
>>>>> labs.
>>>>> As the VoD presenter talks, you can watch him configure and verify the
>>>>> specific technologies at an actual router or switch prompt as if you
>>>>> were
>>>>> looking over his shoulder while he was typing. It is a very effective
>>>>> presentation style.
>>>>>
>>>>> The presenter in each of the Video-on-Demand sessions mentioned above
>>>>> is
>>>>> none other than Mr. Anthony Sequiera, now of InternetworkExperts.
>>>>> Anthony
>>>>> did a great job presenting this content. I really enjoyed working with
>>>>> him
>>>>> on this project. Thanks Anthony!!! You deserve an Academy Award for
>>>>> your
>>>>> performance! : )
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>
>>>>> -Bruce Caslow CCIE #3139
>>>>> Cisco 360 Master Instructor
>>>>> NetMasterClass, LLC
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>>>> Of
>>>>> sameer khan
>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 11:03 AM
>>>>> To: narbikk; marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com
>>>>> Cc: asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com; groupstudy
>>>>> Subject: RE: The Reason for failing?
>>>>>
>>>>> every one who is preparing for CCIE exam already know ( i am guessing)
>>>>> the
>>>>> fact that knowing the inner work or behavior of protocols are essential
>>>>> key
>>>>> to
>>>>> passing, then why people not concentrate on that if that is the reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> as i have heard, your worst enemy will hide in the last place you will
>>>>> ever
>>>>> look, or in this case least expected topic :D
>>>>>
>>>>> and as with some of the stuff, there are no minor topics. :D
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks all for answering
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> --c
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:45:30 -0700
>>>>>> Subject: Re: The Reason for failing?
>>>>>> From: narbikk_at_gmail.com
>>>>>> To: marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com
>>>>>> CC: khanzadap_at_hotmail.com; asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com;
>>>>>>
>>>>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with Scott 100 percent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you should make number 10, WAS I READY FOR THE TEST?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Marc La Porte
>>>>>>
>>>>> <marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sameer,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I solely failed on underestimating the required knowledge and
>>>>>>> know-how
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> on
>>>>>
>>>>>> the minor topics (QoS, Security, IP Services, Multicast, etc). Other
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> than
>>>>>
>>>>>> that I was fine on the L2/L3 stuff, fine on time management (L2/L3
>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> by
>>>>>
>>>>>> lunch), and fine on the stress (came in the day before, relaxed with a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> nice
>>>>>
>>>>>> dinner, a non-Cisco book, a bath, an early night, and a good
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> breakfast).
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I actually ended up not asking anything to the proctor, but that's
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> why
>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> failed...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Marc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 16:18, sameer khan <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hi Anthony;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That really helpful, just a suggestion that if possible IE also if
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> .pdf format of the articles, that will be great to download or
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> printing.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In regards to my question, i am trying to figure out why people
>>>>>>>> fail,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> concentrate from that perspective. As i am guessing is that mixing
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> technologies changes the expected behavior of the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> protocol/configuration
>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> thus making the matter confusing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If can one else please add there experiences of being unsuccessful,
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> greatful.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CC: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>>>>>>> From: asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com
>>>>>>>>> To: khanzadap_at_hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: The Reason for failing?
>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:51:35 -0400
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Sameer!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here are some observations I documented about that question in case
>>>>>>>>> you have not seen these:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://blog.internetworkexpert.com/2008/10/01/common-reasons-for-lab-exam-fa
>>>>> i
>>>>>
>>>>>> lure/<
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://blog.internetworkexpert.com/2008/10/01/common-reasons-for-lab-exam-fa
>>>>> i
>>>>> %0Alure/
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
>>>>>>>>> http://www.INE.com <http://www.ine.com/> <http://www.ine.com/> <
>>>>>>>>> http://www.ine.com/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Test your Core Knowledge today!
>>>>>>>>> Q: What is the primary source of RPF information used by PIM?
>>>>>>>>> A: the unicast routing table
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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