Re: The Reason for failing?

This is getting silly. Every vendor has students who pass on the first
attempt, some on the second and some on the third. If the first
attempt is so important, I'm keen to know if any other instructors
have passed all their labs first go. Anyone? If not, it seems like
that should be my new marketing angle. That said, I wouldn't have done
it every time without IPexpert, that much I'm sure of.

Cheers,

Jared Scrivener CCIE #16983

On Jun 12, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
wrote:

> All,
>
> I like to congratulate 2 of my students that passed the exam on
> their first
> attempt, these guys were in my Poland boot camp 5 months ago and
> they also
> repeated my boot camp three weeks ago as per my recommendation. They
> followed my recommendations, and the end result is that they passed
> the lab.
> I believe you need to dig through each protocol, one at a time, and
> once you
> examine the hairs within that protocol, and you are able to answer
> all of
> YOUR questions, then, you are ready.
>
> Once again congratulations to:
>
> Dominick Nowicki 24543
> Mariusz Trojanowski 24551
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Andrew Bruce Caslow <
> abcaslow_at_netmasterclass.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sameer,
>>
>> Along with mastering the inner-workings and behavior of specific
>> protocols,
>> what we have seen over the years is: successful CCIE candidates
>> must also
>> formulate a highly structured problem-solving AND verification
>> approach.
>>
>> To get CCIE candidates in the correct frame of mind for starting
>> the long
>> journey of preparing for the CCIE lab, we begin the entire process by
>> making
>> this assertion that implicitly stressly the need for creating a
>> structured
>> problem solving approach:
>>
>> "CCIE candidates, we are going to prepare you to fulfill 'minimally
>> described' configuration and troubleshooting tasks".
>>
>> We feel that this statement captures the essence of CCIE level
>> problems:
>> they are configuration and/or troubleshooting tasks that are
>> "minimally
>> described" BUT they might contain explicitly described restrictions.
>> Regardless of how minimally described a CCIE level configuration
>> task is, a
>> CCIE candidate should be able to solve the task. They should know
>> what to
>> look for and know what questions to ask.
>>
>> In the Cisco 360 program, the problem solving approach we recommend
>> for
>> these "minimally described" types of problems is called "issue
>> spotting and
>> options analysis". Also, due to the strong influence of Bob
>> Sinclair one of
>> our Cisco 360 master instructors and lead content developers, heavy
>> emphasis
>> is placed on verification of a task, even more so than on the
>> configuration
>> of the task itself.
>>
>> By using a consistent problem solving and learning approach, CCIE
>> candidates
>> can use the same approach for each new protocol and technology they
>> learn.
>> While the technical topics may change, the problem solving and
>> learning
>> approach remains constant.
>>
>> This is why we say the CCIE lab is as much about measuring the
>> mastery of
>> protocols and technologies as it is about validating one's problem
>> solving
>> and analysis skills.
>>
>> To get a better understanding of this, check out some of the Cisco
>> 360
>> Video
>> on Demand Lesson Modules. In particular, check out the Link-Layer
>> (7 hours
>> of Video), IGP (6 hours) or BGP Lesson Modules (7 hours). Not only
>> do these
>> modules cover the stated technology, they apply the consistent "issue
>> spotting and options analysis" problem solving approach. They are
>> also
>> bundled with Spot the Issues quizzes and hands-on technology
>> focused labs.
>> As the VoD presenter talks, you can watch him configure and verify
>> the
>> specific technologies at an actual router or switch prompt as if
>> you were
>> looking over his shoulder while he was typing. It is a very effective
>> presentation style.
>>
>> The presenter in each of the Video-on-Demand sessions mentioned
>> above is
>> none other than Mr. Anthony Sequiera, now of InternetworkExperts.
>> Anthony
>> did a great job presenting this content. I really enjoyed working
>> with him
>> on this project. Thanks Anthony!!! You deserve an Academy Award for
>> your
>> performance! : )
>>
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> -Bruce Caslow CCIE #3139
>> Cisco 360 Master Instructor
>> NetMasterClass, LLC
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>> Behalf Of
>> sameer khan
>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 11:03 AM
>> To: narbikk; marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com
>> Cc: asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com; groupstudy
>> Subject: RE: The Reason for failing?
>>
>> every one who is preparing for CCIE exam already know ( i am
>> guessing) the
>> fact that knowing the inner work or behavior of protocols are
>> essential key
>> to
>> passing, then why people not concentrate on that if that is the
>> reason.
>>
>> as i have heard, your worst enemy will hide in the last place you
>> will ever
>> look, or in this case least expected topic :D
>>
>> and as with some of the stuff, there are no minor topics. :D
>>
>> Thanks all for answering
>>
>> Regards
>> --c
>>
>>
>>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:45:30 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: The Reason for failing?
>>> From: narbikk_at_gmail.com
>>> To: marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com
>>> CC: khanzadap_at_hotmail.com; asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com;
>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>
>>> I agree with Scott 100 percent.
>>>
>>> So you should make number 10, WAS I READY FOR THE TEST?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Marc La Porte
>> <marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sameer,
>>>>
>>>> I solely failed on underestimating the required knowledge and
>>>> know-how
>> on
>>>> the minor topics (QoS, Security, IP Services, Multicast, etc).
>>>> Other
>> than
>>>> that I was fine on the L2/L3 stuff, fine on time management (L2/
>>>> L3 done
>> by
>>>> lunch), and fine on the stress (came in the day before, relaxed
>>>> with a
>> nice
>>>> dinner, a non-Cisco book, a bath, an early night, and a good
>> breakfast).
>>>>
>>>> I actually ended up not asking anything to the proctor, but
>>>> that's not
>> why
>>>> I
>>>> failed...
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Marc
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 16:18, sameer khan <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> hi Anthony;
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That really helpful, just a suggestion that if possible IE also if
>> can
>>>> have
>>>>> .pdf format of the articles, that will be great to download or
>> printing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In regards to my question, i am trying to figure out why people
>>>>> fail,
>> so
>>>>> that
>>>>> concentrate from that perspective. As i am guessing is that
>>>>> mixing of
>>>>> technologies changes the expected behavior of the
>> protocol/configuration
>>>>> and
>>>>> thus making the matter confusing.
>>>>>
>>>>> If can one else please add there experiences of being
>>>>> unsuccessful, I
>>>> will
>>>>> be
>>>>> greatful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>>> CC: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>>>> From: asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com
>>>>>> To: khanzadap_at_hotmail.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: The Reason for failing?
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:51:35 -0400
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Sameer!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here are some observations I documented about that question in
>>>>>> case
>>>>>> you have not seen these:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> http://blog.internetworkexpert.com/2008/10/01/common-reasons-for-lab-exam-fa
>> i
>>>>> lure/<
>>>>
>>
>> http://blog.internetworkexpert.com/2008/10/01/common-reasons-for-lab-exam-fa
>> i
>> %0Alure/
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
>>>>>> http://www.INE.com <http://www.ine.com/> <http://www.ine.com/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Test your Core Knowledge today!
>>>>>> Q: What is the primary source of RPF information used by PIM?
>>>>>> A: the unicast routing table
>>>>>> More Info:
>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc957916.aspx
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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