Re: New Developments with Cisco 360

Dark Fiber - Good point -

Also, clients should compare and review what materials are included at
the states price. You'll see that the NMC / 360 products consist of
about 1/3 the content (maybe 1/2) as our Blended Learning Solution or
the IE 2.0 package (count labs in all volumes / books, VOD Modules,
Video Solutions / Tutorials, etc.). Also take a look at the companies
guarantee and upgrade policy....lots to think about - do your homework
and make sure you're comparing "apples to apples"....

Bruce - also, an FYI - all vendor products are available "unbundled".
Hardly a "selling point" for the overpriced 360 program.

Regarding "online mentoring" - we (and again - most vendors) already
do this - some of us do this for free (We do). Is 360 online mentoring
free or is this another cost to be included?

Next, grading - I suggest you take a look at your competitors
offerings - (we have). Several options out there that are just as good
or better than the "CheckIt" solution. I do admit - your stuff is
great - there are other products / solutions available from other
vendors (like us and IE).

Also most of us are wondering where this collection of "25
Instructors" resides....if it's a "selling point" - how does one get
in touch with them?....it seems like one heck of a support structure!
Do they congregate somewhere online to ensure that their customers
questions are answered or is there just a "list" of 25 people that
were once trained on how to deliver your class?

Bruce - let's face it - you've got a job to do (to sell your products
and services) - as do I. This isn't the right forum to do so. If you'd
like to debate the "pros and cons" of different CCIE learning
materials - I'm sure we could get many, many people to engage. We all
(different vendors) have people that like and dislike us (and our
products). This thread evolved out of a question regarding learning
credits - and the facts I presented about your material (now entitled
360) are still legitimate.

Regards,

Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244
President & Founder - IPexpert, Inc.
Email: wlawson_at_ipexpert.com
Mobile: 810.334.1564

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On Jun 11, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Dark Fiber <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't think anyone could honestly question the quality of the
> material. I think what alot of us question is the cost. Now I would
> have to think that is set by Cisco themselves. This is what hurts
> the program in the long run I believe.
>
> CIERS Basic Package (CIERSBASIC) is $4500.
>
> IPX: Blended Learning Solution $1500
> INE: End to End $2500
> Narbik: $2500 and free retakes, even after you pass your lab for
> refreshers!
>
> If I had to start over today with all my material the cost and value
> associated with that cost would knock the 360 program right off the
> list :(
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Bruce Caslow" <abcaslow_at_netmasterclass.net>
> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Cc: "Andrew Bruce Caslow" <abcaslow_at_netmasterclass.net>
> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 6:31:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: New Developments with Cisco 360
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
>
> There have been some recent discussions on the Cisco 360 program on
> GroupStudy. I wanted to take a minute and briefly discuss some new
> developments with Cisco 360.
>
>
>
> [X-post: http://blog.netmasterclass.net/?p=36 ]
>
>
>
> CISCO 360 IS UNBUNDLED
>
>
>
> All of Cisco 360 products have become unbundled. This means you can
> purchase only the Cisco 360 component you need when you need them.
> With
> this said, one can begin purchasing individual components of Cisco
> 360 for
> just a few hundred dollars. As you go through the Cisco 360 program,
> you can
> pay as you go if you'd like. And of course, you can use your Cisco
> Learning
> Credits to pay for Cisco 360 products and services.
>
>
>
> This unbundling provides lots of flexibility for students with limited
> funds. Not only does it provide purchasing flexibility, it allows
> for CCIE
> students to mix and match Cisco 360 purchases with other vendors CCIE
> learning products such as InternetworkExpert and Narbik's workbook.
> I think
> we all agree, no one has a monopoly on great ideas. The "open
> architecture"
> of Cisco 360 allows for students to purchase only the components
> they want
> from Cisco 360 at the time they want. Students then have the option
> to use
> whatever other CCIE learning resources they want.
>
>
>
> CISCO 360 HAS 25 CCIE INSTRUCTORS AND MENTORS
>
>
>
> Furthermore, these individual components can be bundled with training
> courses and on-line mentoring services to create a complete end-to-
> end CCIE
> preparation program. One very exciting aspect of the Cisco 360
> program is
> that there are now 25 Cisco 360 certified instructors and mentors
> spread all
> over the world. And I must say, each one of them is a world-class
> instructor
> and mentor dedicated to delivering the very best in CCIE training and
> coaching. It has been a real pleasure working with these 25
> instructors and
> mentors. Many of these new instructors were trained by Bob
> Sinclair, who
> has been a frequent contributor to GroupStudy over the years. It is my
> opinion that Bob is the very best CCIE instructor in the world and Bob
> speaks very highly of the many Cisco 360 instructors he has trained
> in the
> US, Europe, the Middle East and Asia. Bob will be going to Japan in
> a week
> to train seven more Cisco 360 instructors.
>
>
>
> With the unbundling of Cisco 360 products and the large supply of
> 25, soon
> to be over 30, Cisco 360 instructors/mentors, the price of quality
> CCIE
> training should be falling. While many grey market CCIE companies
> provide
> excellent products and services, none of them have 25-30 CCIE
> instructors/mentors. This will dramatically change the CCIE training
> landscape. Currently, there are only a handful of CCIE instructors
> and no
> structured CCIE mentoring services in the CCIE marketplace. With
> Cisco 360,
> the pool of instructors and mentors is dramatically increased and
> this will
> give anyone that is pursuing their CCIE many more training and
> mentoring
> options. Competition and choices among learning solutions is a very
> good
> thing for CCIE students!
>
>
>
> CISCO 360 GRADED ASSESSMENT LABS
>
>
>
> A suggested starting point in using Cisco 360 products is to
> purchase the
> Cisco 360 graded assessment labs individually or in bundles. These
> graded
> assessment labs provide an excellent measurement for one's level of
> readiness to attempt the actual CCIE lab. They also provide voluminous
> feedback to maximize the learning experience. These graded
> assessment labs
> are most certainly not "unproven technology". They apply the former
> CHECKiT
> lab technology of NetMasterClass. This technology has been deployed
> and
> developed over the last five years. To my knowledge, no other CCIE
> training
> company has the level of experience in developing graded assessment
> labs as
> Val Pavlichenko and his software team at NetMasterClass. This team
> now is
> working for Cisco to develop a full range of graded assessment labs.
> This of
> course includes all Cisco 360 graded assessment labs. Currently,
> there are
> 12 graded assessment labs available in the Routing and Switching
> Cisco 360
> program. Many people perform several of these graded assessments to
> establish a "trend of performance" to help indicate their level of
> readiness
> to attempt the actual CCIE lab. Many like to combine this with Cisco
> 360
> mentoring services to obtain coaching and guidance along the way.
> Mr. Bill
> Burns of RackTimeRentals is one of these Mentors! Great job Bill! : )
>
>
>
> To get a good understanding of the new a la carte purchasing options
> available with Cisco 360, go to the following NetMasterClass link:
>
>
>
> http://netmasterclass.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY
> <http://netmasterclass.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=NMC
> _Store&Category_Code=Cisco360>
> &Store_Code=NMC_Store&Category_Code=Cisco360
>
>
>
> If you have any additional questions or comments, please feel free to
> contact me directly.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
>
> -Bruce Caslow CCIE #3139
>
> Cisco 360 Master Instructor
>
> NetMasterClass, LLC
>
> www.netmasterclass.net
>
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