Re: New Developments with Cisco 360

Hi Joe.

I think you have spotted that right regarding those who would take all
costs on their personal budget. I would say Cisco 360 is mostly focused
on large business clients AND on increasing the passing rate.

If you have attended that CCIE RS 4.0 update webinar (should also be
available on demand now), you might catch two ideas.

- Verizon success story with Cisco 360 program. In short, they have been
using Cisco 360 program internally for quite a while and have already
certified about 15 candidates with average pass score within this small
group being 1.2. The Verison manager responsible for this training said
there is already more than 30 Verizon engineers queuing for this program.

- One of the CCIE program members said that for now we have around 20
000 CCIEs around the Globe, they would aim to have 30 000 within next
year (if I remember this sentence right). And the reason behind it would
be a technological growth and business needs for those 30K CCIEs on the
marker right now.

Now you put two and two together by yourself. Do they target self-study
candidates and such? IMHO they don't. As Bruce have mentioned Cisco 360
is much more structural and predictive. Now when it is unbundled, it
becomes more attractive for enterprises to train CCIEs in-house so to say.

I don't believe it will be popular amongst GS members. If I worked for
Verizon for example and still pursued my CCIE I would queue for that
program. When I were doing my CCIE studies my company supported me in
buying used routers and books but buying bootcamps and other full-day
like training were off the list.

If I had a choice to study nights vs studying during working hours I
would sure pick the second one. Wouldn't you?

It's like Mercedes A-class. Those who can afford it may enjoy it. Those
who cannot - let's not get bored or frustrated by that fact that they
pass us on a highway and concentrate on where we drive to. :-)

Just my .02 AUD.
A.

Joe Astorino wrote:
> As a working class guy going through things from the perspective of a student a few months ago, I never even considered the 360 program, because of price. In fact, I posted that on my blog at the time...why would anybody want to go for the 360 program unless they were rich, or their company funded it? At least that was my perspective. IPexpert, INE, and Narbik among others have proven material that works, that is taught by world class leading instructors that have great reputations, and is way cheaper. Am I missing something here?
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe Astorino
> CCIE #24347 (R&S)
> Sr. Support Engineer b IPexpert, Inc.
> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>
>
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> Subject: Re: New Developments with Cisco 360
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> I don't think anyone could honestly question the quality of the material. I think what alot of us question is the cost. Now I would have to think that is set by Cisco themselves. This is what hurts the program in the long run I believe.
>
> CIERS Basic Package (CIERSBASIC) is $4500.
>
> IPX: Blended Learning Solution $1500
> INE: End to End $2500
> Narbik: $2500 and free retakes, even after you pass your lab for refreshers!
>
> If I had to start over today with all my material the cost and value associated with that cost would knock the 360 program right off the list :(
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Bruce Caslow" <abcaslow_at_netmasterclass.net>
> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Cc: "Andrew Bruce Caslow" <abcaslow_at_netmasterclass.net>
> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 6:31:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: New Developments with Cisco 360
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
>
> There have been some recent discussions on the Cisco 360 program on
> GroupStudy. I wanted to take a minute and briefly discuss some new
> developments with Cisco 360.
>
>
>
> [X-post: http://blog.netmasterclass.net/?p=36 ]
>
>
>
> CISCO 360 IS UNBUNDLED
>
>
>
> All of Cisco 360 products have become unbundled. This means you can
> purchase only the Cisco 360 component you need when you need them. With
> this said, one can begin purchasing individual components of Cisco 360 for
> just a few hundred dollars. As you go through the Cisco 360 program, you can
> pay as you go if you'd like. And of course, you can use your Cisco Learning
> Credits to pay for Cisco 360 products and services.
>
>
>
> This unbundling provides lots of flexibility for students with limited
> funds. Not only does it provide purchasing flexibility, it allows for CCIE
> students to mix and match Cisco 360 purchases with other vendors CCIE
> learning products such as InternetworkExpert and Narbik's workbook. I think
> we all agree, no one has a monopoly on great ideas. The "open architecture"
> of Cisco 360 allows for students to purchase only the components they want
> from Cisco 360 at the time they want. Students then have the option to use
> whatever other CCIE learning resources they want.
>
>
>
> CISCO 360 HAS 25 CCIE INSTRUCTORS AND MENTORS
>
>
>
> Furthermore, these individual components can be bundled with training
> courses and on-line mentoring services to create a complete end-to-end CCIE
> preparation program. One very exciting aspect of the Cisco 360 program is
> that there are now 25 Cisco 360 certified instructors and mentors spread all
> over the world. And I must say, each one of them is a world-class instructor
> and mentor dedicated to delivering the very best in CCIE training and
> coaching. It has been a real pleasure working with these 25 instructors and
> mentors. Many of these new instructors were trained by Bob Sinclair, who
> has been a frequent contributor to GroupStudy over the years. It is my
> opinion that Bob is the very best CCIE instructor in the world and Bob
> speaks very highly of the many Cisco 360 instructors he has trained in the
> US, Europe, the Middle East and Asia. Bob will be going to Japan in a week
> to train seven more Cisco 360 instructors.
>
>
>
> With the unbundling of Cisco 360 products and the large supply of 25, soon
> to be over 30, Cisco 360 instructors/mentors, the price of quality CCIE
> training should be falling. While many grey market CCIE companies provide
> excellent products and services, none of them have 25-30 CCIE
> instructors/mentors. This will dramatically change the CCIE training
> landscape. Currently, there are only a handful of CCIE instructors and no
> structured CCIE mentoring services in the CCIE marketplace. With Cisco 360,
> the pool of instructors and mentors is dramatically increased and this will
> give anyone that is pursuing their CCIE many more training and mentoring
> options. Competition and choices among learning solutions is a very good
> thing for CCIE students!
>
>
>
> CISCO 360 GRADED ASSESSMENT LABS
>
>
>
> A suggested starting point in using Cisco 360 products is to purchase the
> Cisco 360 graded assessment labs individually or in bundles. These graded
> assessment labs provide an excellent measurement for one's level of
> readiness to attempt the actual CCIE lab. They also provide voluminous
> feedback to maximize the learning experience. These graded assessment labs
> are most certainly not "unproven technology". They apply the former CHECKiT
> lab technology of NetMasterClass. This technology has been deployed and
> developed over the last five years. To my knowledge, no other CCIE training
> company has the level of experience in developing graded assessment labs as
> Val Pavlichenko and his software team at NetMasterClass. This team now is
> working for Cisco to develop a full range of graded assessment labs. This of
> course includes all Cisco 360 graded assessment labs. Currently, there are
> 12 graded assessment labs available in the Routing and Switching Cisco 360
> program. Many people perform several of these graded assessments to
> establish a "trend of performance" to help indicate their level of readiness
> to attempt the actual CCIE lab. Many like to combine this with Cisco 360
> mentoring services to obtain coaching and guidance along the way. Mr. Bill
> Burns of RackTimeRentals is one of these Mentors! Great job Bill! : )
>
>
>
> To get a good understanding of the new a la carte purchasing options
> available with Cisco 360, go to the following NetMasterClass link:
>
>
>
> http://netmasterclass.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY
> <http://netmasterclass.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=NMC
> _Store&Category_Code=Cisco360> &Store_Code=NMC_Store&Category_Code=Cisco360
>
>
>
> If you have any additional questions or comments, please feel free to
> contact me directly.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
>
> -Bruce Caslow CCIE #3139
>
> Cisco 360 Master Instructor
>
> NetMasterClass, LLC
>
> www.netmasterclass.net
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