Re: CCIE bootcamp that will take learning credits?

Sounds like someone had to much coffee lol. JK

Tony

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Wayne Lawson <groupstudy_at_ipexpert.com>wrote:

> Nassar -
>
> Your response doesn't make any sense to me. "You can't measure
> the quality of your training material based on how many people passed"
> - its CCIE TRAINING MATERIAL - Remember?!?!? How else would you
> measure the legitimacy of CCIE training material???.....Please
> explain....
>
> You also say that "not everyone is motivated by a 6-figure
> income" - yeah, although that's true (but even then a majority of the
> 1,300 CCIEs we have helped certify have been motivated - and excited
> about the income increase they received after passing!) - CCIE
> Candidates ARE motivated by the job securty it provides. Why else do
> you suggest people spend thousands of dollars and invest their heart
> and soul into an amazing accomplishment?...It's the same as chasing
> after an MBA....most people don't toss 100k+ at a University and many
> years of their life just to "learn" something and not "reap the
> rewards" of their hard work....
>
> Great plug on the INE 2.0 materials - and I would agree that
> they provide valuable training resources (I also measure them as being
> successful because they have the world's 3rd largest list of CCIEs -
> behind NLI and us). In fact, NLIs material and Narbik's material are
> also "valuable" in their own unique way. Personally, I think the INE
> "2.0" strategy wasn't necessarily a "big revolution" like they claimed
> it was. Although their workbooks are solid (as are ours and our other
> competitors), they took freebies (their free online training sessions)
> and began charging for them (ours are still free), they took a
> negative and attempted to market it as a "positive" (their workbooks
> will "never be complete") - pleeeease...they got beat up for years
> because their products were never "complete" - our products have a
> predefined design - and when it's done - it's done - we don't ask our
> competitors to "hang in there forever because our products will never
> be complete. Minor error corrections and updates are understandable,
> but "never complete" is a marketing scheme based on word play - and
> unfortunately some people bought it (and some peope even see it as a
> "great revolution" which amazes me - that's what they were bashed for
> over the span of many years - now people think it's a positive?!?).
> And their poly-whatchya-callit labs seems (to me) like a very bad
> idea. How can you accurately prepare for the real lab if they are
> "pulling out topics you understand" - isn't that (other than time
> management) one of the biggest challenges of the lab?!?....to get
> EVERYTHING working together properly?!....pulling out topics (even if
> you score well on those individual topics) will eliminate a large
> portion of various "situations" that can arise with other various
> protocols and technologies overlap....
>
> Again - I'm not attempting to start a vendor war here - so note
> that I did give "kudos" to the other "grey market" vendors. The
> primary point in this thread is that Cisco's 360 is an unproven and
> unfinished product - and in July that's all CCIE candidates will be
> able to purchase with CLCs. Cisco clearly didn't want to offer proven,
> quality materials through their partners (materials such as ours, IEs
> or Narbik's) - they just want to earn a buck selling something that's
> not as good, isn't supported well, doesn't have a solid guarantee and
> is extremely expensive. We, Narbik and IE will all be around years
> from now - I highly doubt the 360 program will be. Check back with me
> in 3 years on this! ;-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244
> President & Founder - IPexpert, Inc.
> Email: wlawson_at_ipexpert.com
>
> :: Message sent from iPhone.
>
> On Jun 9, 2009, at 11:44 PM, Nasser Abraham <nasser.abraham_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Wayne,
> > Not everyone who pursues a CCIE does so just to pass an exam. You
> > really cannot measure the quality of training material purely based
> > upon how many people have passed the CCIE exam. Also, not everyone
> > is motivated by a "six-figure income", but if that is the way you
> > try to sell your product, then kudos to you.
> >
> > In saying that, we have the 360 program available to us through
> > work. Whilst I find the 360 program to be a valuable resource, I
> > would consider INE CCIE 2.0 program to be more comprehensive in
> > teaching the technologies.
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Wayne Lawson
> > <groupstudy_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:
> > I guess the questions to ask are: *how many people have passed using
> > 360 material* and *how many people have passed using "grey market"
> > material*....
>
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