Re: CCIE bootcamp that will take learning credits?

Nassar -

      Your response doesn't make any sense to me. "You can't measure
the quality of your training material based on how many people passed"
- its CCIE TRAINING MATERIAL - Remember?!?!? How else would you
measure the legitimacy of CCIE training material???.....Please
explain....

      You also say that "not everyone is motivated by a 6-figure
income" - yeah, although that's true (but even then a majority of the
1,300 CCIEs we have helped certify have been motivated - and excited
about the income increase they received after passing!) - CCIE
Candidates ARE motivated by the job securty it provides. Why else do
you suggest people spend thousands of dollars and invest their heart
and soul into an amazing accomplishment?...It's the same as chasing
after an MBA....most people don't toss 100k+ at a University and many
years of their life just to "learn" something and not "reap the
rewards" of their hard work....

      Great plug on the INE 2.0 materials - and I would agree that
they provide valuable training resources (I also measure them as being
successful because they have the world's 3rd largest list of CCIEs -
behind NLI and us). In fact, NLIs material and Narbik's material are
also "valuable" in their own unique way. Personally, I think the INE
"2.0" strategy wasn't necessarily a "big revolution" like they claimed
it was. Although their workbooks are solid (as are ours and our other
competitors), they took freebies (their free online training sessions)
and began charging for them (ours are still free), they took a
negative and attempted to market it as a "positive" (their workbooks
will "never be complete") - pleeeease...they got beat up for years
because their products were never "complete" - our products have a
predefined design - and when it's done - it's done - we don't ask our
competitors to "hang in there forever because our products will never
be complete. Minor error corrections and updates are understandable,
but "never complete" is a marketing scheme based on word play - and
unfortunately some people bought it (and some peope even see it as a
"great revolution" which amazes me - that's what they were bashed for
over the span of many years - now people think it's a positive?!?).
And their poly-whatchya-callit labs seems (to me) like a very bad
idea. How can you accurately prepare for the real lab if they are
"pulling out topics you understand" - isn't that (other than time
management) one of the biggest challenges of the lab?!?....to get
EVERYTHING working together properly?!....pulling out topics (even if
you score well on those individual topics) will eliminate a large
portion of various "situations" that can arise with other various
protocols and technologies overlap....

      Again - I'm not attempting to start a vendor war here - so note
that I did give "kudos" to the other "grey market" vendors. The
primary point in this thread is that Cisco's 360 is an unproven and
unfinished product - and in July that's all CCIE candidates will be
able to purchase with CLCs. Cisco clearly didn't want to offer proven,
quality materials through their partners (materials such as ours, IEs
or Narbik's) - they just want to earn a buck selling something that's
not as good, isn't supported well, doesn't have a solid guarantee and
is extremely expensive. We, Narbik and IE will all be around years
from now - I highly doubt the 360 program will be. Check back with me
in 3 years on this! ;-)

Regards,

Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244
President & Founder - IPexpert, Inc.
Email: wlawson_at_ipexpert.com

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On Jun 9, 2009, at 11:44 PM, Nasser Abraham <nasser.abraham_at_gmail.com>
wrote:

> Wayne,
> Not everyone who pursues a CCIE does so just to pass an exam. You
> really cannot measure the quality of training material purely based
> upon how many people have passed the CCIE exam. Also, not everyone
> is motivated by a "six-figure income", but if that is the way you
> try to sell your product, then kudos to you.
>
> In saying that, we have the 360 program available to us through
> work. Whilst I find the 360 program to be a valuable resource, I
> would consider INE CCIE 2.0 program to be more comprehensive in
> teaching the technologies.
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Wayne Lawson
> <groupstudy_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:
> I guess the questions to ask are: *how many people have passed using
> 360 material* and *how many people have passed using "grey market"
> material*....

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