RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line

Cisco are not stupid, they want people to actively pursue the
certification trail. It is one of their better money spinners.

Saying that, they have introduced Forensic Analyses in the written
exams, so who is to say they do not monitor these forums?

GS is about learning to master a topic, not to cheat your way to CCIE,
if it was the latter Cisco would have closed this forum down a long time
ago.

Some times people do get close to the mark when discussing a topic, but
so long as the discussion is not a direct take from an exam, I do not
believe there is much Cisco can do about it.

So when asking questions, you are not really trying to find out what is
in the lab, you are trying to master a skill that you do not fully
understand. Do not mistake the two.

Please remember if you break the NDA, you will either get a one-year or
possibly a life-time testing ban.

Either one of those could finish your career in networking.

Regards Grant

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Shaughn Smith
Sent: 05 June 2009 15:19
To: 'Ryan West'; 'ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line

Good point. I suppose everyone's moral compass is a bit different.

I do know of people that have been contacted. Don't know results of the
enquiries though.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan West [mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com]
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 4:15 PM
To: Shaughn Smith; 'ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line

The point is, not everyone lives by the same moral code. What is
completely acceptable by a sociopath is not acceptable by the norm.

I'm still curious if anyone has either been contacted by Cisco about
this or known someone who has.

-ryan

-----Original Message-----
From: Shaughn Smith [mailto:Shaughn.Smith_at_mtnbusiness.co.za]
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 9:44 AM
To: 'ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com'; Ryan West; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line

Agreed.

You should have a gut feeling as to what is allowed and what isnt.

CCIE#23962

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 3:33 PM
To: Ryan West; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line

I think this is one of those questions that can be answered by-

"If you have to think about it, then you shouldn't do it."

I don't see how there can be any grey areas on this. Don't reveal
anything about the contents of the exam. If you were the recipient of
questionable info, don't pass it on. Do the right thing here.

If it's public knowledge(blueprint), then no issues.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com>

Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:30:56
To: Cisco certification<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Subject: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line

If you were to look through the archives, it's fairly easy to come up an
accurate picture of what to expect from the lab. Vendors and test
takers alike post information; such as test taking strategies and trends
in labs (having more IGP / Frame-Relay complete). I don't see people on
this list ever post exact examples of what their labs were like, but I
wanted to raise the question of what is considered acceptable. Has
anyone been contacted by Cisco and asked to stop being liberal with
information or had a more stringent penalty applied to them?

I know the easy way out is to provide responses like, "If you study the
right way, you'll be fine." However, I was provided with helpful
information from those who had been through the process and I don't mind
giving back. Could you guys give some feedback of where you think the
line is and what might be considered gray?

-ryan

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Received on Fri Jun 05 2009 - 15:37:36 ART