Re: Open-Ended Questions in the CCIE Security Track

I don't necessarily agree with that. There are plenty of things that
Cisco does which I don't agree with. however, I do think the OEQs are
an "ok" idea. I think the troubleshooting is a great idea, and I've
been saying that for years. (formerly, I guess that was a complaint,
but now that they finally agree with me it's an agreement!)

I really don't believe the addition of the OEQs was because of $$. Will
it lead to extra revenue? Perhaps. although you're as likely to have
people drop their dates (not spend money) as you are to have people fail
because of the OEQs. So that would make it a wash financially.

While I can't speak for all the instructors I can tell you that I've
never had a problem in telling Cisco what I think about their
policies/programs. Granted, if it's anything disparaging, I tend to
make comments to the appropriate people rather than publicly. Gets
better results that way. :) but, if I personally come out with a
comment in agreement with what Cisco is doing, you can be assured that
it's because I really agree with it and not because I'm toting anyone's
corporate line.

Case 'n' point regarding public commentary though, I've made several
comments about the "plaques" currently received by people who pass their
lab which I still don't like what Cisco's done. But OEQs and
Troubleshooting, I think are good ideas.

Just my two cents. :)

*Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,

JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.

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CCIE 2008 wrote:
> well said Tim
>
> Do not expect any of the CCIE instructors will say any word against Cisco ,
> or cisco will be angry and they cannot afford that :) all are working to
> gain money from the CCIE candidates :)
>
> so it is better for all of them to break the rules and make any changes they
> want in the 90 days window you paid for something but why not you will
> exam in another thing :)) you paid for the written already and pass but why
> not 4 or 5 Q will make you pay for another 1400 $ + hotel+ fly fees !!!!
>
>
> so everything Cisco say is the best even the instructors will try to mock
> the truth by telling keeping Value or other none sense reasons .
>
> all about business and money nothing more :)
>
> exams are so much money gain than any other hardware product.
>
>
>
>
> Best regards
>
>
> On 5/18/09, Tim <timcurci_at_roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>> Scott-
>>
>> I do not think that anyone is questioning whether one should understand
>> what
>> is being asked vis-a-vis the blueprint...although I specifically question
>> the timing of the release of the change in format of the security exam
>> since
>> the blueprint has recently been revised (i.e. more than 30 days notice of
>> the change should have been given). For those taking the exam within the
>> next 90 days this is not what they paid for.
>>
>> Correct me if I am wrong, however, if one "fails" this 4-5 question
>> mini-quiz, then one fails the lab. I am not sure what a passing score on
>> this "quiz" is, nor will I ever know :). The whole thing seems somewhat
>> subjective to me.
>>
>> Four to Five questions is not a statistically valid pool of questions that
>> should invalidate the results of an 8-hour lab exam.
>>
>> If you fail the 4-5 question exam then Cisco should send you home and
>> refund
>> your $1,400.
>>
>> This is getting silly.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Scott Morris
>> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:37 PM
>> To: Mohammed Gazzaz
>> Cc: ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com; security_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: Open-Ended Questions in the CCIE Security Track
>>
>> They're more about the application of knowledge. And that knowledge of
>> protocols is what should be cemented more in your brain now from
>> practicing for the lab exam. The "blueprint" covered by these
>> open-ended questions is the lab blueprint. Although it's written in
>> nature, it's about the application/knowledge of technologies.
>>
>> IMHO if you are practicing enough about how the different technologies
>> really work rather than concentrating on any particular command-line
>> memorization you'll have no problem at all with these things!
>>
>> We are compiling a list of sample questions/ideas and things of that
>> nature at the moment, and will be releasing materials in order to help
>> refresh your memory on things and drive away that fear, uncertainty and
>> doubt!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>>
>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>
>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>
>> smorris_at_internetworkexpert.com
>>
>>
>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>
>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>>
>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>>
>> Outside US: 775-826-4344
>>
>>
>> Knowledge is power.
>>
>> Power corrupts.
>>
>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mohammed Gazzaz wrote:
>>
>>> You are right, I should not be afraid but I am.
>>>
>>> I passed the written test last year and managed to score only 74%.
>>> I don't really have a good memory and it really hurts to fail the lab
>>>
>> because of 4 simple questions.
>>
>>> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 14:57:29 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: Open-Ended Questions in the CCIE Security Track
>>> From: ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com
>>> To: mgazzaz_at_hotmail.com
>>> CC: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com; security_at_groupstudy.com
>>>
>>> Technically if you passed the written - you are there already - that test
>>>
>> is filled with OEQ.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Mohammed Gazzaz <mgazzaz_at_hotmail.com>
>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What Study materials do you guys
>>> recommend? and are 2 months enough to prepare for the OEQ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Will those be enough ? or do I need more materials?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yusif's book
>>>
>>> DOC CD
>>>
>>> CCIE Security Exam Quick Reference Sheets
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com; security_at_groupstudy.com
>>>> Subject: Open-Ended Questions in the CCIE Security Track
>>>> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 02:46:38 +0100
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Starting the 15th June:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/announcements/index.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
>>>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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