Re: 4000 CCIEs in 18 months???

Hardworkers with real world knowledge will be the winner after October 19th.
College graduates or CCNA to CCIE jumper will be crying! - "troubleshooting"

-frog

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 5:10 PM, GAURAV MADAN <gauravmadan1177_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> People thought the same when Open ended questions were introduced ..
> But hardworkers will always succeed .
> Now that there is more awareness and recognization for these certifications
> ( expecially CCIE) ; i think that more and more people will work and
> acheive
> this
>
> Gaurav Madan
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 12:15 PM, qospf qospf <cisco.qospf_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I have a feeling it will change after October 19th :P
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 9:56 PM, GAURAV MADAN <gauravmadan1177_at_gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> I agree here with Abdul
> >> Now a days I have noticed that people do clear their CCNA , CCNP level
> >> certifications in college only .
> >> And after college they take a break of year or so and successfull clear
> >> their CCIE .
> >>
> >> SO the fact or the trend now is ..... get your CCIE number and then jump
> >> in
> >> market ..
> >> If you are a employer ; you will be glad to hire someone at entry level
> >> job
> >> but having knowledge of these concepts ..
> >>
> >> IMHO ; I see no harm in people doing CCIE early in their careers ....
> and
> >> this is one of the reason why we are seeing increase in number of CCIEs
> >> very
> >> quickly .
> >>
> >> Gaurav Madan
> >> CCIE
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Abdul <rslab007_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I agree with everything all of you have said. For old hats like me
> (been
> >> > doing network engineering for 14yrs now), alot of has change (and
> >> continues
> >> > to do so), but alot of the baseline concepts are the same. 10+ years
> >> ago,
> >> > finding core routing and switching guys who really knew there stuff
> >> would
> >> > have taken you awhile. For people like me who were in college and
> >> > gratuated,
> >> > they didn't teach this stuff in school (back then a Computer
> Engineering
> >> > undergrad degree was a glorified Electrical Engineer who knew a bit of
> >> > software development and a whole lot of assembly language). Nowadays
> you
> >> > got
> >> > highschool kids coming up with core routing/switching and security
> >> skills.
> >> > ALL colleges teach skills that are applicable to TODAYS work force.
> Its
> >> > much
> >> > more competitive and (for guys like me who just love the technology)
> >> > exciting. If you want it,if you have time, if you have a drive, you
> >> will
> >> > get it. Lots of good teachers out there and good materials to help
> >> people
> >> > get to their goal. Much, much more than in the old days, where there
> >> were
> >> > no
> >> > schools, materials, and you were basically on your own reading the
> Cisco
> >> > CCIE books of Roosevelt Giles and Bruce Caslow (for them old hats out
> >> > there).
> >> >
> >> > Congrats to all the new guys getting their numbers. And for the rest
> of
> >> us
> >> > who don't have it..keep working hard to get it.
> >> >
> >> > Good luck with your studying..
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Santiago Enciso
> >> > <senciso_at_infocenter.com.py>wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > And what about Cisco's growth? The company itself has been growing
> at
> >> > that
> >> > > speed.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Mensaje original-----
> >> > > De: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] En nombre
> de
> >> > > Jared
> >> > > Scrivener
> >> > > Enviado el: Martes, 05 de Mayo de 2009 08:16 p.m.
> >> > > Para: 'Joseph L. Brunner'; 'Brad Ellis'; 'Modular'; 'Cisco
> >> certification'
> >> > > Asunto: RE: 4000 CCIEs in 18 months???
> >> > >
> >> > > I'd attribute it to a wider acceptance of the certification in our
> >> field
> >> > > (and wider recognition of the $ value of the CCIE), a larger number
> of
> >> > > seats
> >> > > and, most importantly a FAR higher level of quality training at a
> much
> >> > more
> >> > > affordable price due to the desire of each of the vendors to create
> >> the
> >> > > best
> >> > > possible training products. Gotta love the free market. :)
> >> > >
> >> > > Cheers,
> >> > >
> >> > > Jared Scrivener CCIE3 #16983 (R&S, Security, SP), CISSP
> >> > > Sr. Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
> >> > > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> >> > > Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> >> > > Mailto: jscrivener_at_ipexpert.com
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> >> Of
> >> > > Joseph L. Brunner
> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, 5 May 2009 4:27 PM
> >> > > To: Brad Ellis; Modular; Cisco certification
> >> > > Subject: RE: 4000 CCIEs in 18 months???
> >> > >
> >> > > Nope... not even close guys...
> >> > >
> >> > > Having two kids and $120,000 is not even your bills anymore after
> >> > taxes...
> >> > > if that doesn't motivate you to pass the CCIE nothing will...
> >> > >
> >> > > I have lots of friends and ex-coworkers in that boat...
> >> > >
> >> > > I think you pretty much need a CCIE to make a living in most places
> >> these
> >> > > days and the number of people studying/taking/passing directly
> >> reflects
> >> > > that...
> >> > >
> >> > > Like 5 years ago I would ask people so are you going to get your
> CCIE,
> >> > they
> >> > > would say stuff like "my wife wont let me retreat from the family
> all
> >> > > weekend", etc.
> >> > > Now it's, Oh I passed R/S, I'm actually working on Voice :)
> >> > >
> >> > > -Joe
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> >> Of
> >> > > Brad
> >> > > Ellis
> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:28 PM
> >> > > To: Modular; Cisco certification
> >> > > Subject: RE: 4000 CCIEs in 18 months???
> >> > >
> >> > > Oh boy...here we go...
> >> > >
> >> > > So, first off, the lab is one day, vs. 2-days. But the biggest
> change
> >> is
> >> > > the number of seats available. Probably 2 to 3 times that "back in
> the
> >> > > day" if not more. I'd say that the biggest impact.
> >> > >
> >> > > thanks,
> >> > > Brad Ellis
> >> > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> >> > > CCSI# 30482
> >> > > CEO / President
> >> > > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Partner (CLP)
> >> > > Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
> >> > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> >> > > International: +1-702-968-5100
> >> > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> >> > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
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> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> >> Of
> >> > > Modular
> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:22 PM
> >> > > To: Cisco certification
> >> > > Subject: 4000 CCIEs in 18 months???
> >> > >
> >> > > ALL,
> >> > >
> >> > > I have a friend who passed his lab, (security), in November of 2007.
> >> His
> >> > > number is 19511. I passed last week and my number is 24266. So, in
> 18
> >> > > months
> >> > > 4700+ people got their number. This seems crazy when you consider
> that
> >> > > between 1993 and the end of 2007 there were 18500+ CCIEs. What do
> you
> >> > > guys
> >> > > attribute this increase to? Dynamips?? Is it that there s wasn t an
> >> > > Ipexpert
> >> > > or Internetwork Expert around back in the day ? Is the lab easier
> >> than
> >> > > it
> >> > > use to be?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Bryan
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Bryan Rakestraw
> >> > > CCIE# 24266 (R&S)
> >> > >
> >> > >
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