Re: Re: 4000 CCIEs in 18 months???

High end certifications are the same as college degrees. Sure, having an
Ivy league degree seems better than a public university degree, but at the
same time, if you cannot communicate well to your boss/customer, you can
have as many letters/numbers after your name as you want.

That's why I think the OEQ are a great idea (hopefully for all tracks,
especially when I tackle voice coming up), because that is exactly what you
get in interviews if the person interviewing you is wise.

And to me it is all just a foot in the door, the rest is up to the
individual, which is how it should be. Think about it, if I have two people
in, a CCIE-V with limited experience and a CCVP who has dealt with
Meetingplace, Presence (previously not on the lab, though it will be in
July) and EIM/WIM with IPCCX and that is what I'm deploying, I'm going with
the guy with the experience and knowhow who can tell me the issues that
Cisco sometimes doesn't document.

Same with CCIE in RS with only lab experience and a CCNP who has migrated
from 6500 to Nexus and I am a customer who is wanting to deploy a couple of
5000s.

All this stuff is just a learning experience and proves you can adapt,
learn, and think on your feet. It isn't an end all. It just feels that way
sometime due to the amount of time and energy it takes. :) Just my two
cents.

DH
16790

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 9:43 AM, <bobby.kimble_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> "BTW, it's my understanding that Cisco desires to crank out 4,000 new CCIEs
> every >TWELVE< months, so hold on to your hats if you think the past 18
> months were anything noteworthy..."
>
> At what point does this start to devalue the certification? MCSEs were a
> big deal at one point. Now they might be able to get a job on a helpdesk
> somewhere.
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>
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>
> On May 6, 2009 9:46am, Scott M Vermillion <scott_ccie_list_at_it-ag.com>
> wrote:
> > > I think you pretty much need a CCIE to make a living in most places
> > these days
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> > I attended a meeting a while back and of the seven people in the room,
> > three of us were R&S CCIEs (two independent consultants and one channel
> > partner rep). The other four were the prospective client. Out of the CCIE
> > bunch, I was the only one to not have ever published a book (need to get
> > on that!). So I think we are indeed reaching that point of critical mass
> > that Bobby suggests where the baseline expectation for consulting work
> > (not just independent consulting, but also the kind where you are farmed
> > out by your employer/channel partner too) is that you hold at least one
> > CCIE. In an effort to stand out from the rest of the CCIE pack, people
> > are pursuing second, third, etc CCIEs, MBAs, and even publishing books
> > just for the name recognition (there's not a lot of money in it from what
> > I understand, at least not directly).
>
>
>
> > BTW, it's my understanding that Cisco desires to crank out 4,000 new
> > CCIEs every >TWELVE
>
>
>
>
> > On May 5, 2009, at 5:26 , Joseph L. Brunner wrote:
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> > Nope... not even close guys...
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>
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> > Having two kids and $120,000 is not even your bills anymore after
> > taxes... if that doesn't motivate you to pass the CCIE nothing will...
>
>
>
> > I have lots of friends and ex-coworkers in that boat...
>
>
>
> > I think you pretty much need a CCIE to make a living in most places these
> > days and the number of people studying/taking/passing directly reflects
> > that...
>
>
>
> > Like 5 years ago I would ask people so are you going to get your CCIE,
> > they would say stuff like "my wife wont let me retreat from the family
> > all weekend", etc.
>
> > Now it's, Oh I passed R/S, I'm actually working on Voice :)
>
>
>
> > -Joe
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>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Brad Ellis
>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:28 PM
>
> > To: Modular; Cisco certification
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> > Subject: RE: 4000 CCIEs in 18 months???
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>
>
> > Oh boy...here we go...
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>
>
> > So, first off, the lab is one day, vs. 2-days. But the biggest change is
>
> > the number of seats available. Probably 2 to 3 times that "back in the
>
> > day" if not more. I'd say that the biggest impact.
>
>
>
> > thanks,
>
> > Brad Ellis
>
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> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
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> > Modular
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> > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:22 PM
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> > To: Cisco certification
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> > Subject: 4000 CCIEs in 18 months???
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> > ALL,
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>
> > I have a friend who passed his lab, (security), in November of 2007. His
>
> > number is 19511. I passed last week and my number is 24266. So, in 18
>
> > months
>
> > 4700+ people got their number. This seems crazy when you consider that
>
> > between 1993 and the end of 2007 there were 18500+ CCIEs. What do you
>
> > guys
>
> > attribute this increase to? Dynamips?? Is it that there s wasn t an
>
> > Ipexpert
>
> > or Internetwork Expert around back in the day ? Is the lab easier than
>
> > it
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> > use to be?
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> > Bryan
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> > Bryan Rakestraw
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> > CCIE# 24266 (R&S)
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