Re: 4000 CCIEs in 18 months???

I agree here with Abdul
Now a days I have noticed that people do clear their CCNA , CCNP level
certifications in college only .
And after college they take a break of year or so and successfull clear
their CCIE .

SO the fact or the trend now is ..... get your CCIE number and then jump in
market ..
If you are a employer ; you will be glad to hire someone at entry level job
but having knowledge of these concepts ..

IMHO ; I see no harm in people doing CCIE early in their careers .... and
this is one of the reason why we are seeing increase in number of CCIEs very
quickly .

Gaurav Madan
CCIE

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Abdul <rslab007_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree with everything all of you have said. For old hats like me (been
> doing network engineering for 14yrs now), alot of has change (and continues
> to do so), but alot of the baseline concepts are the same. 10+ years ago,
> finding core routing and switching guys who really knew there stuff would
> have taken you awhile. For people like me who were in college and
> gratuated,
> they didn't teach this stuff in school (back then a Computer Engineering
> undergrad degree was a glorified Electrical Engineer who knew a bit of
> software development and a whole lot of assembly language). Nowadays you
> got
> highschool kids coming up with core routing/switching and security skills.
> ALL colleges teach skills that are applicable to TODAYS work force. Its
> much
> more competitive and (for guys like me who just love the technology)
> exciting. If you want it,if you have time, if you have a drive, you will
> get it. Lots of good teachers out there and good materials to help people
> get to their goal. Much, much more than in the old days, where there were
> no
> schools, materials, and you were basically on your own reading the Cisco
> CCIE books of Roosevelt Giles and Bruce Caslow (for them old hats out
> there).
>
> Congrats to all the new guys getting their numbers. And for the rest of us
> who don't have it..keep working hard to get it.
>
> Good luck with your studying..
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Santiago Enciso
> <senciso_at_infocenter.com.py>wrote:
>
> > And what about Cisco's growth? The company itself has been growing at
> that
> > speed.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Mensaje original-----
> > De: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] En nombre de
> > Jared
> > Scrivener
> > Enviado el: Martes, 05 de Mayo de 2009 08:16 p.m.
> > Para: 'Joseph L. Brunner'; 'Brad Ellis'; 'Modular'; 'Cisco certification'
> > Asunto: RE: 4000 CCIEs in 18 months???
> >
> > I'd attribute it to a wider acceptance of the certification in our field
> > (and wider recognition of the $ value of the CCIE), a larger number of
> > seats
> > and, most importantly a FAR higher level of quality training at a much
> more
> > affordable price due to the desire of each of the vendors to create the
> > best
> > possible training products. Gotta love the free market. :)
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Jared Scrivener CCIE3 #16983 (R&S, Security, SP), CISSP
> > Sr. Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
> > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> > Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> > Mailto: jscrivener_at_ipexpert.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Joseph L. Brunner
> > Sent: Tuesday, 5 May 2009 4:27 PM
> > To: Brad Ellis; Modular; Cisco certification
> > Subject: RE: 4000 CCIEs in 18 months???
> >
> > Nope... not even close guys...
> >
> > Having two kids and $120,000 is not even your bills anymore after
> taxes...
> > if that doesn't motivate you to pass the CCIE nothing will...
> >
> > I have lots of friends and ex-coworkers in that boat...
> >
> > I think you pretty much need a CCIE to make a living in most places these
> > days and the number of people studying/taking/passing directly reflects
> > that...
> >
> > Like 5 years ago I would ask people so are you going to get your CCIE,
> they
> > would say stuff like "my wife wont let me retreat from the family all
> > weekend", etc.
> > Now it's, Oh I passed R/S, I'm actually working on Voice :)
> >
> > -Joe
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Brad
> > Ellis
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:28 PM
> > To: Modular; Cisco certification
> > Subject: RE: 4000 CCIEs in 18 months???
> >
> > Oh boy...here we go...
> >
> > So, first off, the lab is one day, vs. 2-days. But the biggest change is
> > the number of seats available. Probably 2 to 3 times that "back in the
> > day" if not more. I'd say that the biggest impact.
> >
> > thanks,
> > Brad Ellis
> > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > CCSI# 30482
> > CEO / President
> > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Partner (CLP)
> > Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
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> > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Modular
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:22 PM
> > To: Cisco certification
> > Subject: 4000 CCIEs in 18 months???
> >
> > ALL,
> >
> > I have a friend who passed his lab, (security), in November of 2007. His
> > number is 19511. I passed last week and my number is 24266. So, in 18
> > months
> > 4700+ people got their number. This seems crazy when you consider that
> > between 1993 and the end of 2007 there were 18500+ CCIEs. What do you
> > guys
> > attribute this increase to? Dynamips?? Is it that there s wasn t an
> > Ipexpert
> > or Internetwork Expert around back in the day ? Is the lab easier than
> > it
> > use to be?
> >
> >
> >
> > Bryan
> >
> >
> > Bryan Rakestraw
> > CCIE# 24266 (R&S)
> >
> >
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