Re: Open-Ended Questions - by Darby

Hey Guys,

          I took the exam Recently and Failed due to OEQ and I got 100% in
IP Switching, IP IGP Protocols, IP EGP Protocols and IP Multicast sections.
But Unfortunately I failed. But when i Answered OEQ, If found pretty
confident that, my answer was apt and I justified the question. But,
unfortunately I donno why the result was FAIL and I got 0 in IP CORE
KNOWLEDGE.

          I strongly feel, I didn't fail becoz of lack of knowledge but I
couldn't make proctor satisfy with my answers. But, this happened becoz, I'm
a fresher, I started the Journey of CCIE soon after becoming graduate and
passing CCNA in NOV of 2007. I wrote exams like CCNA, CCNP, CCVP and CCIE
Written ( Routing and Switching ). In all the exams, I was asked to answer
in the fashion of MCQ ( Multiple Choice Questions ) where I have always
follow the elimination process. So, I was used to that and was doing well in
that format. But with OEQ it is completely different. It is like I don't
have the choice of looking at the option, but had to construct the answer in
my own words. I did that, while I was answering those questions, I felt that
what I answered was pretty sufficent and I answered all the 4 out of 4
perfectly :D :P. But, I got 0 ! I was puzzled, I donno why it happened in
such a way. I felt that may be, I was not upto the mark in the explanation
in convincing the proctor. But, if those four questions were of MCQ type,
I would have nailed it down with perfection. But again unfortunately those
are of not that kind :D :P. Anyways I want to say something, so that i wrote
this much, but cannot say reflect what I wanna tell you. This is what my
problem is regarding Presentation.

        Hope, I'll over come this problem and clear my exam in second
attempt. Unlike many guys, I'm not doing this as my Employer wants me to do,
or it increases my salary etc.., but I'm doing out of my passion. I even
left 2 of my offers ( with KEANE INDIA, INFOSYS ) which I got in campus
placements for CCIE :). Even though it is paining, that I never faced a
failure in my Life and first time I experienced it. I'm not gonna give up.
LETs SEE what is in store for me.

        I'M WRITING THIS .. TO MAKE PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA TAKE TEST
UNDERSTAND, " IT IS NOT A BIG DEAL TO KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT THEY WAY U PUT
THERE IS REALLY IMP. PLEASE DO TOUCH KEY POINTS, AND REVISE TWICE or THRICE
BEFORE U SUBMIT."

And regarding the Weightage of Marks.. What LARRY and ANTHONY mentioned is
absolutely right...

*You have 21 marks for OEQ. i.e. if u answer 3/4 correct out of 4 u'll be
awarded 100% -- 21 or else 0.
and the lab part consists of 79 Marks. so even if you get 100% in the lab
u'll not be passed.

100% in the lab is 79 marks, but you need 80 Marks to pass the lab. *

-- 
With Regards,
K.V.Madhu Prateek Reddy.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Anthony Faria <tfaria72_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> Head down Study hard RIGHT(or however Anthony put it)!! That is all it
> takes
> is commitment. Fear Is the biggest Mind killer.  We just need to study hard
> and stay focused. For every student every paragraph we type can be a
> paragraph of config(I just wasted one lol)!! Not tryin to offend anyone
> just
> we need to knuckle down and whoop this test!!
>
> Tony
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Anthony Sequeira <
> asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>
> > Well, as Darby pointed out for us, there is nothing to fear here.
> > Please keep that in mind as you walk in the center.
> >
> > You will receive 4 questions  - do not miss more than one, and then
> > begin your configuration section. Your strategy for the configuration
> > section can be identical in form as it was prior to the introduction
> > of the Core Knowledge section.
> >
> > I just realized I have typed the words Core Knowledge about 23,452
> > times in the last month. :-)
> >
> > On Apr 24, 2009, at 2:38 PM, Asif Gul Khan wrote:
> >
> > > How about trying to get an Official Cisco verdict on this rather
> > > than individually chasing the guys who took the lab...specially when
> > > everyone have diffrent opinions).... what i feel is if cisco doesi
> > > nform students about oeq points during/b4 that section, than they
> > > will have no objection in making it public....i mean whats the point
> > > in hiding section scores( oeq n lab part)....its not lyk a student
> > > preparing for the exam can cheat or something lyk dat...BUT he can
> > > prepare in a better way with a better understanding....rather than a
> > > student entering the centre with a fear in his mind....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Darby Weaver
> > > <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Since I wrote this - I've gotten a few more people who state this very
> > > explicitly and still some who say what I wrote mirrored their
> > > experience.
> > >
> > > I find the disparity of conflicting information - interesting.
> > >
> > > Small matter either way - Fail the OEQ - Fail the Lab.  Whether
> > > explicit or
> > > implicit it still comes out to effectually 21 points.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Anthony Sequeira <
> > > asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I was told by a proctor it is 21 points for the Core Knowledge
> > > section
> > > > (graded pass/fail as we have posted about many times) and then 79
> > > points in
> > > > the configuration section.
> > > >
> > > > A student confirmed this for me and also indicated that the tasks
> > > are all 2
> > > > or 3 points in value now. Obviously, if you have taken the exam
> > > recently and
> > > > experienced anything that conflicts with this information, please
> > > let us
> > > > know. :-)
> > > >
> > > > Warmest Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
> > > > Senior CCIE Instructor
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> > > >
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> > > > Q: In the BGP best path selection process, which origin code is most
> > > > preferable?
> > > > A: IGP
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> > > >
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> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk365/technologies_tech_note09186a0080094431.shtml
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Apr 24, 2009, at 9:26 AM, Darby Weaver wrote:
> > > >
> > > >   That's a good question - I did go back to my lists of people who
> > > passed
> > > >> and
> > > >> posed the questions.
> > > >>
> > > >> Perhaps there were two methods of scoring.
> > > >>
> > > >> The funny part is only one person said 21/79.
> > > >>
> > > >> The rest said no point values for the oeq.  They were just asked to
> > > >> complete
> > > >> the questions and it was stressed how important it was.
> > > >>
> > > >> I did lean toward recent takers.
> > > >>
> > > >> I had a hard time swallowing the 21/79 - it just is not conistent
> > > with my
> > > >> own lab experiences to be able to nail 21 points (by most
> > > accounts "easy")
> > > >> in 20 minutes.  However for everyone who passes, they would say the
> > > >> questions I missed in my own labs were easy too.
> > > >>
> > > >> The funny thing is hindsight is 20/20 and I tend to agree with
> > > them  - I
> > > >> missed some easy stuff...  Grumble Grumble - It all comes down to
> > > prep and
> > > >> sleep.
> > > >>
> > > >>
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