Re: Core Knowledge - Don't mis-interpret this

Well said Larry,

The fact is there are are way too many stories aof CCIE's who cannot explain
the Spanning-Tree Protocol.

In this list CCIE's sometimes forget the difference between N2 and E2 routes
lately and I saw a CCIE who passed after 3 attempts in "60-Days" (more
likely at least 61 days) who asked publicly how to configure the
config-register and there are tons more... just check the list here and you
will see them all of the time posting these types of questions...

Makes you wonder how some people ever passed at all. Really. And you
might argue the point and say people will forget the little details.... and
to that I'd say that both of the above examples have not been CCIE's for
more that 3-6 months each...

Yes, my friends the CCIE Labs got leaked and went from a few people having
them to nearly everyone taking the lab having them...

The Written was sacrificed long before en masse.

So the idea that Cisco invited questions that were of a "CCIE Written" level
to the exam and Lab Candidates cannot pass them... Hmmm....

I wonder how many current CCIE's would be able to pass them, either today or
if they even could have on their own lab day.

I'm waiting to see the stats.

Look unlike, Larry, Anthony, Ahmed (DarkFiber) or most of the guys writing
questions or questioning the process... I still have to sit this version of
the lab and I'll have to cope with these questions and I've modified my
study habits to meet this challenge. Yes, it involves a mountain of
memorization of practice exams, slides, ppts, and reading materials...

But hey back in my old A+ and MCSE days... if you asked me a question, I
mostly always knew the answer from using the same approach.

Nearly every CCIE I've ever met (aside from the Trainers), has always almost
always defaulted to... "No one can know it all..."

In retrospect, I kind of appreciate the idea of going back to the old trivia
and memorization aka high school learning methodology that I used so
successfully in grade school, college and up until I started this CCIE
thing (which by the way always seemed to me to slip past building the solid
brick and mortar foundation in lieu of taking the easy road since there was
just "too much to know and no one could possibly ever know it all"...

Guy go print out the Command Configuration Guides for each technology needed
on the blueprint. They are combined less than one Cisco Press Book (except
for switching which is a Cisco Press Book by itself).

On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Larry <cc13lab_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> This post was not a gripe post it was post to get people to run more
> debugs,
> look at the cofiguration of things instead of knowing where to look for it
> the doc cd, pull the cobwebs out of the theory portion (how many times do
> we
> hear brian say don't memorize it - know where/how to find it) etc....
>
> Like I said, they had to do something or all of us would be have had a
> great
> dis-service to us once we attained our goal. Would I have passed had I
> prepared the way I intend to now?? Probably not. Will I be a better Network
> Engineer when I do pass, 100% for sure...
>
> Narbik - your bootcamp was great and the food great but the configuration
> portion of my test I passed. The theory is all there, the knowing where to
> find stuff (show ip prot, doc cd etc) is all there, the speed is all
> there.... I just need to do lab after lab memorizing stuff that I took for
> granite before. The chances of me getting another set of quesitons that
> contain 2 I can't answer or don't understand is probably very slim (based
> on
> previous posts and people I have talked to that passed). I would probably
> be
> okay if I rescheduled now, just don't want to take another $1400 gamble.
>
> I will let you all know when I do pass thopugh :)
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 5:56 AM, prateek reddy <prateek.reddyk_at_gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Guys Ur scaring me alot :D anyway lets see.. What I'll encounter on
> Monday
> > :). Let my try my luck and see whether the day is mine or not!! or else I
> > should look for $1400 :D for next attempt :)
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Syed Ali <testcricket_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I got one of my quesitons badly worded. I asked some CCIEs about that
> > > question and they had no clue what the questions was trying to ask. At
> > the
> > > end of the day, a badly worded question may cost $1400!!!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > > -I
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:26 PM, prateek reddy <
> > prateek.reddyk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> > >
> > >> Larry,
> > >>
> > >> What you said was right. But at the End of the Day, we don't have
> > any
> > >> other choice, than blindly following what Cisco implements.
> > >>
> > >> "i think its now fair really...you need to be a book worm not a
> network
> > >> engineer
> > >> if the idea was to know everything then they wouldnt give access to
> the
> > >> doc
> > >> cd"
> > >>
> > >> I support this point!!!!!!!!!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Mohamed El Henawy <m.henawy_at_link.net
> > >> >wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > i think its now fair really...you need to be a book worm not a
> network
> > >> > engineer
> > >> > if the idea was to know everything then they wouldnt give access to
> > the
> > >> doc
> > >> > cd
> > >> >
> > >> > anyway...this is the rule of the game , so sorry for you larry...
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Narbik Kocharians" <
> > >> narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> > >> > To: "Larry" <cc13lab_at_gmail.com>
> > >> > Cc: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > >> > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 8:27 PM
> > >> > Subject: Re: Core Knowledge - Don't mis-interpret this
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > KNOW THE R&S LAB BLUE PRINT Theory, if you know how to configure
> the
> > >> >> stuff,
> > >> >> as a CCIE candidate you should be fine with the theory.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Larry <cc13lab_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> A grabbing subject which I have seen tons of posts on. The problem
> > is
> > >> the
> > >> >>> section is not what it implies...
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I usually don't post much but for some reason I have not heard
> > anyone
> > >> >>> explain what is expected from this section. Some say to read and
> > know
> > >> >>> your
> > >> >>> core L3 stuff really good... other say that it is so easy that you
> > >> don't
> > >> >>> have to study... Well I figured I would assist in this quest as I
> > >> failed
> > >> >>> the
> > >> >>> test a few weeks back because of this very topic and think there
> is
> > a
> > >> >>> feeling out there that if you know your routing/L3 you will be
> > >> okay....
> > >> >>> Don't be fooled by Core Knowledge - know your ip services/features
> > and
> > >> >>> off
> > >> >>> topics and know how to configure them w/o the doc cd (or at least
> > >> try).
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Here is a post that I added to my blog, take it for what it is
> > worth.
> > >> I
> > >> >>> have
> > >> >>> talked to a lot of other candidates some that had similar
> > experiences
> > >> and
> > >> >>> some had such basic stuff that a ccna could answer. Hopefully this
> > >> will
> > >> >>> save
> > >> >>> someone $1400!
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> ___- Failed Attempt -
> > >> >>> ______________________________________________________
> > >> >>> __________________________________________________________
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Been a couple weeks now since my last attempt. The lab went really
> > >> good,
> > >> >>> felt like I got a test that I knew everything on. Finished up at
> > 1:29
> > >> in
> > >> >>> the
> > >> >>> afternoon and had the rest of the time to review. I reviewed the
> > >> entire
> > >> >>> exam
> > >> >>> twice and found 4 errors which would have cost some big points. My
> > lab
> > >> >>> score...... over 90% in 4 sections....
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Problem is I didn't get open ended questions that I knew, or
> > >> >>> understood....
> > >> >>> One question was about the configuration of a subset of an ip
> > feature.
> > >> I
> > >> >>> have done IE, IPEXPERT and all of the ASET labs and have not seen
> > this
> > >> >>> "feature" on any of them. The other question I guess I missed was
> > one
> > >> >>> written in classic cisco language of which I have still to find
> the
> > >> >>> answer
> > >> >>> or the meaning of the question. The other questions that I got
> were
> > >> basic
> > >> >>> scenario type questions that required you to know the default
> values
> > >> and
> > >> >>> configurations of the feature in question. Not hard if you had
> done
> > a
> > >> ton
> > >> >>> of
> > >> >>> labs (like I had).
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I know there are people out there that say the questions are so
> > basic
> > >> >>> that
> > >> >>> any CCIE level candidate should know and I agree. In fact I found
> > one
> > >> of
> > >> >>> my
> > >> >>> questions in the chapter summary of one of my cisco press books
> for
> > >> the
> > >> >>> ccnp. What is wrong with this type of testing is that there are
> only
> > 4
> > >> >>> questions. If you are suppose to be a CCIE you should know 80% of
> > >> >>> everything
> > >> >>> they throw at you. So with only 4 questions you are at a risk of
> > >> getting
> > >> >>> 2
> > >> >>> questions (or in my case a badly worded question in which no help
> > can
> > >> be
> > >> >>> asked) which you don't know even though you know more than 80% of
> > the
> > >> >>> material. Why not give us 10 - 20 questions and expand the lab
> > another
> > >> 30
> > >> >>> mins. Then the chances of a well prepared ccie candidate getting
> > less
> > >> >>> than
> > >> >>> 80% are almost non-existant.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I am not at all against the ccie and I think that cisco had to do
> > >> >>> something.
> > >> >>> After all, I will get this certification and when I do I want all
> > the
> > >> >>> hours
> > >> >>> that have taken away from my family and friends to mean something.
> > But
> > >> I
> > >> >>> think they missed the challenge on this one....
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
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> > >> >>>
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> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
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