Re: Core Knowledge - Don't mis-interpret this

I was thrilled to see Narbik point to the Blueprint!

I think I read an earlier recommendation about knowing your Jeff Doyle
Volume 1 and 2. That is NOT fully sufficient as it does not cover all
blueprint topics.

P.S. Narbik is here to help - he might zing another vendor like
me :-), but he would never do that to a student.

Warmest Regards,

Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251
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On Apr 17, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:

> RON,
>
> I was NOT rude at all, i was telling everyone that they should KNOW
> their
> blueprint, and they should know the theory behind what they are
> configuring.
>
>
> But you can translate it into an advice or an insult, that is your
> choice. I
> know what i meant was NOT an insult, i will never do that.
> The following is what i said:
>
> *KNOW THE R&S LAB BLUE PRINT Theory, if you know how to configure
> the stuff,
> as a CCIE candidate you should be fine with the theory.*
>
> Which is very different to what you quoted:
>
> *well dude, you
> should've know it cause it's in the blueprint".*
>
> Larry, i hope YOU know what i was referring to. If i insulted you, i
> am
> sorry but i still don't see it as an insult, i was just pointing out
> that
> YOU SHOULD KNOW THE THEORY FROM BLUEPRINT's perspective, Hey..... i
> know
> that it is impossible to know everything, after 32 years, i am still
> learning new stuff every day. But you should focus on the Blueprint
> and you
> will get it soon, i agree that Cisco should be more clear about what
> they
> are going to do, but.... it is what it is, you and i can NOT change
> this.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Pamela Pinero
> <pampinero_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Qualifying your ability to memorize pass4shit. Plus Cisco needs the
>> revenue
>> right now. Sales are not so good.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>> Behalf Of
>> Asif
>> Gul Khan
>> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 12:07 PM
>> To: Darby Weaver
>> Cc: Larry; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: Core Knowledge - Don't mis-interpret this
>>
>> So wats the written test for?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:01 AM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I still remember when a lot fo people claimed to fail on ISDN... or
>>> Multicast... or BGP... etc.
>>>
>>> I think Cisco is implying that CCIE's should understand the basic
>>> tenets
>> of
>>> the technology.
>>>
>>> Sadly and unfortunately truly many people just want to pass the
>>> lab and
>>> skip by without truly understanding the technologies. Why not,
>>> others
>> have
>>> done so before... Some say they are too busy to learn the stuff
>>> they
>> just
>>> need to pass the lab and get on with life.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Asif Gul Khan <nockhi_at_gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Larry Mate,
>>>>
>>>> Better luck next time, i believe the things hard earned are
>>>> always worth
>>>> it!
>>>> You are very very right in saying Cisco should put around 15 to 20
>>>> questions
>>>> to test "THE" knowledge rather than 4, its simply not fair, CCIE is
>>>> something you need to earn rather than putting everything at
>>>> luck... 4
>>>> questions to test the theory/concepts or watever they want to test
>> simply
>>>> dont not makes sense!
>>>>
>>>> Ron, narbik was not pointing out to larry, he is just clarifying
>>>> Cisco
>>>> point
>>>> of view .... rite Narbik ???
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Larry <cc13lab_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A grabbing subject which I have seen tons of posts on. The
>>>>> problem is
>>>> the
>>>>> section is not what it implies...
>>>>>
>>>>> I usually don't post much but for some reason I have not heard
>>>>> anyone
>>>>> explain what is expected from this section. Some say to read and
>>>>> know
>>>> your
>>>>> core L3 stuff really good... other say that it is so easy that you
>> don't
>>>>> have to study... Well I figured I would assist in this quest as I
>> failed
>>>>> the
>>>>> test a few weeks back because of this very topic and think there
>>>>> is a
>>>>> feeling out there that if you know your routing/L3 you will be
>> okay....
>>>>> Don't be fooled by Core Knowledge - know your ip services/
>>>>> features and
>>>> off
>>>>> topics and know how to configure them w/o the doc cd (or at least
>> try).
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a post that I added to my blog, take it for what it is
>>>>> worth.
>> I
>>>>> have
>>>>> talked to a lot of other candidates some that had similar
>>>>> experiences
>>>> and
>>>>> some had such basic stuff that a ccna could answer. Hopefully this
>> will
>>>>> save
>>>>> someone $1400!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ___- Failed Attempt -
>>>>> ______________________________________________________
>>>>> __________________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> Been a couple weeks now since my last attempt. The lab went really
>> good,
>>>>> felt like I got a test that I knew everything on. Finished up at
>>>>> 1:29
>> in
>>>>> the
>>>>> afternoon and had the rest of the time to review. I reviewed the
>> entire
>>>>> exam
>>>>> twice and found 4 errors which would have cost some big points.
>>>>> My lab
>>>>> score...... over 90% in 4 sections....
>>>>>
>>>>> Problem is I didn't get open ended questions that I knew, or
>>>> understood....
>>>>> One question was about the configuration of a subset of an ip
>>>>> feature.
>> I
>>>>> have done IE, IPEXPERT and all of the ASET labs and have not
>>>>> seen this
>>>>> "feature" on any of them. The other question I guess I missed
>>>>> was one
>>>>> written in classic cisco language of which I have still to find
>>>>> the
>>>> answer
>>>>> or the meaning of the question. The other questions that I got
>>>>> were
>>>> basic
>>>>> scenario type questions that required you to know the default
>>>>> values
>> and
>>>>> configurations of the feature in question. Not hard if you had
>>>>> done a
>>>> ton
>>>>> of
>>>>> labs (like I had).
>>>>>
>>>>> I know there are people out there that say the questions are so
>>>>> basic
>>>> that
>>>>> any CCIE level candidate should know and I agree. In fact I
>>>>> found one
>> of
>>>> my
>>>>> questions in the chapter summary of one of my cisco press books
>>>>> for
>> the
>>>>> ccnp. What is wrong with this type of testing is that there are
>>>>> only 4
>>>>> questions. If you are suppose to be a CCIE you should know 80% of
>>>>> everything
>>>>> they throw at you. So with only 4 questions you are at a risk of
>> getting
>>>> 2
>>>>> questions (or in my case a badly worded question in which no
>>>>> help can
>> be
>>>>> asked) which you don't know even though you know more than 80%
>>>>> of the
>>>>> material. Why not give us 10 - 20 questions and expand the lab
>>>>> another
>>>> 30
>>>>> mins. Then the chances of a well prepared ccie candidate getting
>>>>> less
>>>> than
>>>>> 80% are almost non-existant.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not at all against the ccie and I think that cisco had to do
>>>>> something.
>>>>> After all, I will get this certification and when I do I want
>>>>> all the
>>>> hours
>>>>> that have taken away from my family and friends to mean
>>>>> something. But
>> I
>>>>> think they missed the challenge on this one....
>>>>>
>>>>>
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