Re: Core Knowledge - Don't mis-interpret this

No worries it was your class that got me to the point of being able to pass
the config portion....

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> RON,
>
> I was NOT rude at all, i was telling everyone that they should KNOW their
> blueprint, and they should know the theory behind what they are configuring.
>
>
> But you can translate it into an advice or an insult, that is your choice.
> I know what i meant was NOT an insult, i will never do that.
> The following is what i said:
>
> *KNOW THE R&S LAB BLUE PRINT Theory, if you know how to configure the
> stuff, as a CCIE candidate you should be fine with the theory.*
>
> Which is very different to what you quoted:
>
> *well dude, you
> should've know it cause it's in the blueprint".*
>
> Larry, i hope YOU know what i was referring to. If i insulted you, i am
> sorry but i still don't see it as an insult, i was just pointing out that
> YOU SHOULD KNOW THE THEORY FROM BLUEPRINT's perspective, Hey..... i know
> that it is impossible to know everything, after 32 years, i am still
> learning new stuff every day. But you should focus on the Blueprint and you
> will get it soon, i agree that Cisco should be more clear about what they
> are going to do, but.... it is what it is, you and i can NOT change this.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Pamela Pinero <pampinero_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Qualifying your ability to memorize pass4shit. Plus Cisco needs the
>> revenue
>> right now. Sales are not so good.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Asif
>> Gul Khan
>> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 12:07 PM
>> To: Darby Weaver
>> Cc: Larry; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: Core Knowledge - Don't mis-interpret this
>>
>> So wats the written test for?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:01 AM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I still remember when a lot fo people claimed to fail on ISDN... or
>> > Multicast... or BGP... etc.
>> >
>> > I think Cisco is implying that CCIE's should understand the basic tenets
>> of
>> > the technology.
>> >
>> > Sadly and unfortunately truly many people just want to pass the lab and
>> > skip by without truly understanding the technologies. Why not, others
>> have
>> > done so before... Some say they are too busy to learn the stuff they
>> just
>> > need to pass the lab and get on with life.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Asif Gul Khan <nockhi_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Larry Mate,
>> >>
>> >> Better luck next time, i believe the things hard earned are always
>> worth
>> >> it!
>> >> You are very very right in saying Cisco should put around 15 to 20
>> >> questions
>> >> to test "THE" knowledge rather than 4, its simply not fair, CCIE is
>> >> something you need to earn rather than putting everything at luck... 4
>> >> questions to test the theory/concepts or watever they want to test
>> simply
>> >> dont not makes sense!
>> >>
>> >> Ron, narbik was not pointing out to larry, he is just clarifying Cisco
>> >> point
>> >> of view .... rite Narbik ???
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Larry <cc13lab_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > A grabbing subject which I have seen tons of posts on. The problem is
>> >> the
>> >> > section is not what it implies...
>> >> >
>> >> > I usually don't post much but for some reason I have not heard anyone
>> >> > explain what is expected from this section. Some say to read and know
>> >> your
>> >> > core L3 stuff really good... other say that it is so easy that you
>> don't
>> >> > have to study... Well I figured I would assist in this quest as I
>> failed
>> >> > the
>> >> > test a few weeks back because of this very topic and think there is a
>> >> > feeling out there that if you know your routing/L3 you will be
>> okay....
>> >> > Don't be fooled by Core Knowledge - know your ip services/features
>> and
>> >> off
>> >> > topics and know how to configure them w/o the doc cd (or at least
>> try).
>> >> >
>> >> > Here is a post that I added to my blog, take it for what it is worth.
>> I
>> >> > have
>> >> > talked to a lot of other candidates some that had similar experiences
>> >> and
>> >> > some had such basic stuff that a ccna could answer. Hopefully this
>> will
>> >> > save
>> >> > someone $1400!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ___- Failed Attempt -
>> >> > ______________________________________________________
>> >> > __________________________________________________________
>> >> >
>> >> > Been a couple weeks now since my last attempt. The lab went really
>> good,
>> >> > felt like I got a test that I knew everything on. Finished up at 1:29
>> in
>> >> > the
>> >> > afternoon and had the rest of the time to review. I reviewed the
>> entire
>> >> > exam
>> >> > twice and found 4 errors which would have cost some big points. My
>> lab
>> >> > score...... over 90% in 4 sections....
>> >> >
>> >> > Problem is I didn't get open ended questions that I knew, or
>> >> understood....
>> >> > One question was about the configuration of a subset of an ip
>> feature.
>> I
>> >> > have done IE, IPEXPERT and all of the ASET labs and have not seen
>> this
>> >> > "feature" on any of them. The other question I guess I missed was one
>> >> > written in classic cisco language of which I have still to find the
>> >> answer
>> >> > or the meaning of the question. The other questions that I got were
>> >> basic
>> >> > scenario type questions that required you to know the default values
>> and
>> >> > configurations of the feature in question. Not hard if you had done a
>> >> ton
>> >> > of
>> >> > labs (like I had).
>> >> >
>> >> > I know there are people out there that say the questions are so basic
>> >> that
>> >> > any CCIE level candidate should know and I agree. In fact I found one
>> of
>> >> my
>> >> > questions in the chapter summary of one of my cisco press books for
>> the
>> >> > ccnp. What is wrong with this type of testing is that there are only
>> 4
>> >> > questions. If you are suppose to be a CCIE you should know 80% of
>> >> > everything
>> >> > they throw at you. So with only 4 questions you are at a risk of
>> getting
>> >> 2
>> >> > questions (or in my case a badly worded question in which no help can
>> be
>> >> > asked) which you don't know even though you know more than 80% of the
>> >> > material. Why not give us 10 - 20 questions and expand the lab
>> another
>> >> 30
>> >> > mins. Then the chances of a well prepared ccie candidate getting less
>> >> than
>> >> > 80% are almost non-existant.
>> >> >
>> >> > I am not at all against the ccie and I think that cisco had to do
>> >> > something.
>> >> > After all, I will get this certification and when I do I want all the
>> >> hours
>> >> > that have taken away from my family and friends to mean something.
>> But
>> I
>> >> > think they missed the challenge on this one....
>> >> >
>> >> >
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