Re: Core Knowledge - Don't mis-interpret this

RON,

I was NOT rude at all, i was telling everyone that they should KNOW their
blueprint, and they should know the theory behind what they are configuring.

But you can translate it into an advice or an insult, that is your choice. I
know what i meant was NOT an insult, i will never do that.
The following is what i said:

*KNOW THE R&S LAB BLUE PRINT Theory, if you know how to configure the stuff,
as a CCIE candidate you should be fine with the theory.*

Which is very different to what you quoted:

*well dude, you
should've know it cause it's in the blueprint".*

Larry, i hope YOU know what i was referring to. If i insulted you, i am
sorry but i still don't see it as an insult, i was just pointing out that
YOU SHOULD KNOW THE THEORY FROM BLUEPRINT's perspective, Hey..... i know
that it is impossible to know everything, after 32 years, i am still
learning new stuff every day. But you should focus on the Blueprint and you
will get it soon, i agree that Cisco should be more clear about what they
are going to do, but.... it is what it is, you and i can NOT change this.

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Pamela Pinero <pampinero_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Qualifying your ability to memorize pass4shit. Plus Cisco needs the revenue
> right now. Sales are not so good.
>
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> Asif
> Gul Khan
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 12:07 PM
> To: Darby Weaver
> Cc: Larry; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Core Knowledge - Don't mis-interpret this
>
> So wats the written test for?
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:01 AM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I still remember when a lot fo people claimed to fail on ISDN... or
> > Multicast... or BGP... etc.
> >
> > I think Cisco is implying that CCIE's should understand the basic tenets
> of
> > the technology.
> >
> > Sadly and unfortunately truly many people just want to pass the lab and
> > skip by without truly understanding the technologies. Why not, others
> have
> > done so before... Some say they are too busy to learn the stuff they
> just
> > need to pass the lab and get on with life.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Asif Gul Khan <nockhi_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Larry Mate,
> >>
> >> Better luck next time, i believe the things hard earned are always worth
> >> it!
> >> You are very very right in saying Cisco should put around 15 to 20
> >> questions
> >> to test "THE" knowledge rather than 4, its simply not fair, CCIE is
> >> something you need to earn rather than putting everything at luck... 4
> >> questions to test the theory/concepts or watever they want to test
> simply
> >> dont not makes sense!
> >>
> >> Ron, narbik was not pointing out to larry, he is just clarifying Cisco
> >> point
> >> of view .... rite Narbik ???
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Larry <cc13lab_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > A grabbing subject which I have seen tons of posts on. The problem is
> >> the
> >> > section is not what it implies...
> >> >
> >> > I usually don't post much but for some reason I have not heard anyone
> >> > explain what is expected from this section. Some say to read and know
> >> your
> >> > core L3 stuff really good... other say that it is so easy that you
> don't
> >> > have to study... Well I figured I would assist in this quest as I
> failed
> >> > the
> >> > test a few weeks back because of this very topic and think there is a
> >> > feeling out there that if you know your routing/L3 you will be
> okay....
> >> > Don't be fooled by Core Knowledge - know your ip services/features and
> >> off
> >> > topics and know how to configure them w/o the doc cd (or at least
> try).
> >> >
> >> > Here is a post that I added to my blog, take it for what it is worth.
> I
> >> > have
> >> > talked to a lot of other candidates some that had similar experiences
> >> and
> >> > some had such basic stuff that a ccna could answer. Hopefully this
> will
> >> > save
> >> > someone $1400!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ___- Failed Attempt -
> >> > ______________________________________________________
> >> > __________________________________________________________
> >> >
> >> > Been a couple weeks now since my last attempt. The lab went really
> good,
> >> > felt like I got a test that I knew everything on. Finished up at 1:29
> in
> >> > the
> >> > afternoon and had the rest of the time to review. I reviewed the
> entire
> >> > exam
> >> > twice and found 4 errors which would have cost some big points. My lab
> >> > score...... over 90% in 4 sections....
> >> >
> >> > Problem is I didn't get open ended questions that I knew, or
> >> understood....
> >> > One question was about the configuration of a subset of an ip feature.
> I
> >> > have done IE, IPEXPERT and all of the ASET labs and have not seen this
> >> > "feature" on any of them. The other question I guess I missed was one
> >> > written in classic cisco language of which I have still to find the
> >> answer
> >> > or the meaning of the question. The other questions that I got were
> >> basic
> >> > scenario type questions that required you to know the default values
> and
> >> > configurations of the feature in question. Not hard if you had done a
> >> ton
> >> > of
> >> > labs (like I had).
> >> >
> >> > I know there are people out there that say the questions are so basic
> >> that
> >> > any CCIE level candidate should know and I agree. In fact I found one
> of
> >> my
> >> > questions in the chapter summary of one of my cisco press books for
> the
> >> > ccnp. What is wrong with this type of testing is that there are only 4
> >> > questions. If you are suppose to be a CCIE you should know 80% of
> >> > everything
> >> > they throw at you. So with only 4 questions you are at a risk of
> getting
> >> 2
> >> > questions (or in my case a badly worded question in which no help can
> be
> >> > asked) which you don't know even though you know more than 80% of the
> >> > material. Why not give us 10 - 20 questions and expand the lab another
> >> 30
> >> > mins. Then the chances of a well prepared ccie candidate getting less
> >> than
> >> > 80% are almost non-existant.
> >> >
> >> > I am not at all against the ccie and I think that cisco had to do
> >> > something.
> >> > After all, I will get this certification and when I do I want all the
> >> hours
> >> > that have taken away from my family and friends to mean something. But
> I
> >> > think they missed the challenge on this one....
> >> >
> >> >
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