Re: My 1st attempt is Friday...

I wouldn't say it's a lack of confidence exactly - I just want to understand
what Cisco is looking for as much as possible the same as I do for the lab
configuration portion. I probably would feel better if Cisco had actually
gone all the way and had a concept interview instead of just a few short
answer questions. I would also feel better if it was merely one component
of the overall score rather than a completely separate section with an
extremely heavy weight attached to it.

However, I have no control over these elements so I just seek to understand
how to prepare - and you guys have all been very helpful in that regard.
Thanks!
Michael
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> *Anyways folks, do not let this stuff undermine your studies. Keep your
> head down and your confidence up.*
> Well said, could not agree MORE.
>
> Some of you guys are freaking out for no reason. I see some questions that
> clearly shows that some of us have absolutely no confidence whatsoever, How
> should your employee trust your knowledge, if you don't?
> What difference does it make if they give you 4 questions versus 5? The big
> question is, are you ready? Did you study properly? Which i am sure we all
> did, then, TRUST IS A MUST. gO THERE AND KICK a$$
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Anthony Sequeira <
> asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>
>> This is an awesome post! Thanks for the clarification.
>>
>> How funny, you pass the Core Knowledge and fail the Lab portion, you
>> request a re-read, and the re-read you Core Knowledge. I would specifically
>> NOT WANT THEM TO DO THAT.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Anyways folks, do not let this stuff undermine your studies. Keep your
>> head down and your confidence up.
>>
>> Warmest Regards,
>>
>> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251
>> Senior CCIE Instructor
>>
>> asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com
>>
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>> I must be teaching, my iTunes is stopped!
>>
>> On Apr 17, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Josh Fleishman wrote:
>>
>> If you fail the short answer section Cisco deems the exam ineligible for a
>>> reread. It doesn't matter how you did on the lab portion. Apparantly
>>> they
>>> have so much faith that their expected answers are the only legitimate
>>> answers and therefore a reread cannot result in changing your score from
>>> a
>>> fail to a pass. You can however open a ticket to ensure your answers
>>> were
>>> saved correctly and that you didn't fail due to technical glitch.
>>>
>>> Apparently if you fail the lab portion but pass the core knowledge
>>> section
>>> and you request a reread, the core knowledge section will also be reread.
>>>
>>> Yes, this does not seem to make a lot of sense. If the second case
>>> warrants
>>> a reread of the core knowledge section, then why wouldn't a reread of a
>>> failed core knowledge section warrant one?
>>>
>>> My best advice to you is to get lucky, and receive 3 questions that you
>>> can
>>> answer with answers they expect. I've noticed a lot of folks feeling
>>> like
>>> they aced the core knowledge section but found out via their score report
>>> that they failed. I haven't heard anyone say they didn't find at least
>>> three out of the four questions to be quite easy - even those who failed
>>> the
>>> section seem to agree.
>>>
>>> -Josh
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Larry Hadrava <lhadrava_at_ipexpert.com
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>> Thameem:
>>>> I did not make the comments you are quoting. I believe that Anthony and
>>>> some
>>>> others might have made those comments.
>>>>
>>>> However, I have looked into this and according to the Cisco
>>>> certifications
>>>> online support portal, there will be a reread of the open ended
>>>> questions
>>>> sections as well. However, you may not ask for a reread of just the open
>>>> ended questions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://ciscocert.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/ciscocert.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _faqid=4610&p_created=1231808224&p_sid=EWPC1zvj&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> &p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MzksMzkm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> cF9wcm9kcz0xOTY0LDE5NjUsMTk2NiZwX2NhdHM9JnBfcHY9My4xOTY2JnBfY3Y9JnBfcGFnZT0x&
>>>> p_li=&p_topview=1
>>>>
>>>> Larry Hadrava
>>>> CCIE #12203 CCNP CCNA
>>>> Sr. Support Engineer IPexpert, Inc.
>>>> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com <http://www.ipexpert.com/> <
>>>> http://www.ipexpert.com/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Thameem Maranveetil Parambath <
>>>> tparamba_at_thecontactcentre.ae> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> * The questions are manually graded by a proctor. If you purchase an
>>>>> exam
>>>>> re-read, they will re-grade your question responses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Larry, whats the meaning of the above statement then?
>>>>>
>>>>> May be cisco has re-thaughts on this section?
>>>>> Also what i heard before was you have to score full in this section for
>>>>> Pass.. but now it is said that one question fail is OK for passing?
>>>>>
>>>>> Did i mistaken the replies?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Thameem
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> michael haynes <mghaynes_at_gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent by: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>>>>> 17/04/2009 04:43 PM
>>>>> Please respond to
>>>>> michael haynes <mghaynes_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To
>>>>> Larry <cc13lab_at_gmail.com>
>>>>> cc
>>>>> Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com>,
>>>>> "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>>> Subject
>>>>> Re: My 1st attempt is Friday...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I really appreciate all the comments about the questions. Knowing the
>>>>> process is half the battle against anxiety ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Larry <cc13lab_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Anthony / All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you fail the questions you do not get a regrade. They will not even
>>>>>>
>>>>> give
>>>>>
>>>>>> you the option on your score report, unfortunately I know this first
>>>>>>
>>>>> hand
>>>>>
>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * The questions are manually graded by a proctor. If you purchase an
>>>>>>
>>>>> exam
>>>>>
>>>>>> re-read, they will re-grade your question responses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Anthony Sequeira <
>>>>>> asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Michael!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have reported you to Cisco for asking about these questions!!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They have been very open (no pun intended) about the rules
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> surrounding
>>>>
>>>>> these questions. Here is a list of some key ones for you...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * You must complete this portion of the exam before you start the
>>>>>>> traditional configuration portion.
>>>>>>> * You have a total of 30 minutes to complete this section, you may
>>>>>>> finish early if you like and immediately begin your configuration
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> section.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * You will receive 4 questions via the computer and you must
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> provide
>>>>>
>>>>>> short answers using the computer interface. The questions are not
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> oral
>>>>
>>>>> in
>>>>>
>>>>>> nature. Typical responses require 4 to 5 words at most.
>>>>>>> * Spelling and/or grammar does not count against you.
>>>>>>> * The questions are manually graded by a proctor. If you purchase
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> an
>>>>>
>>>>>> exam re-read, they will re-grade your question responses.
>>>>>>> * You may not return to the short answer questions once you have
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> begun
>>>>>
>>>>>> the configuration portion of the lab exam.
>>>>>>> * You will not receive a score when you complete this section, but
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>>> must pass this portion to pass the CCIE. You will receive your score
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> in
>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> open-ended section if you fail the exam. The score is reported as 0%
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> or
>>>>>
>>>>>> 100%
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (pass or fail). You may only miss one question in the section in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> order
>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>> pass.
>>>>>>> * Most students finish the 4 to 5 questions in approximately 12
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> minutes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * The configuration portion of the exam has been reduced to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> accommodate
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this initial 30 minutes.
>>>>>>> * You still have a total of 8 hours that makeup the open-ended
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> questions
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and the configuration portion.
>>>>>>> * You may not access the DOC-CD to answer these questions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think that list answers your questions, but if you are concerned
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> about
>>>>>
>>>>>> anything else - let us know!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251
>>>>>>> Senior CCIE Instructor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>>>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com<http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>>>>>> <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Listening to "Underneath the Stars" by
>>>>>>> The Cure from
>>>>>>> 4:13 Dream
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2009, at 12:17 PM, michael haynes wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not sure how much I'm allowed to ask about the Core questions,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> but
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> also feeling very anxious about this section even though my lab
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> isn't
>>>>
>>>>> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> awhile still. When this section was first announced, I was under
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>> impression that the questions would be graded prior to allowing the
>>>>>>>> candidate to sit the lab portion - if you potentially are writing an
>>>>>>>> essay,
>>>>>>>> what kind of delay does that give you between completing that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> section
>>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> getting the go-ahead to start the lab...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And if it's all graded at the end of the 8 hours, that seems kind of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cruel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> when you can fail all your marks by getting 2 core questions wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If anyone can elaborate without breaking NDA, I'd sure appreciate
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>
>>>>>> insight.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Bryan Bartik <
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bbartik_at_ipexpert.com>
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would not worry about being too brief. If the answer can be said
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in 3
>>>>>
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> 4
>>>>>>>>> words, than that's all you need. I am only mentioning this so you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>
>>>>>> worry about having too short an answer. That being said, I don't
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> would hurt to elaborate if possible.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good luck,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bryan Bartik
>>>>>>>>> CCIE #23707, CCNP
>>>>>>>>> Sr. Support Engineer - IPexpert, Inc.
>>>>>>>>> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com <http://www.ipexpert.com/> <
>>>>>>>>> http://www.ipexpert.com/> <
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.ipexpert.com/> <
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.ipexpert.com/> <
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.ipexpert.com/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Jonny English <
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> redkidneybeans_at_gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> good luck man. 1st attempt, just don't have any expectations and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> too much pressure on yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> you will be fine.....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Chris Kleban <
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris.Kleban_at_citrix.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wish me luck.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm more nervous about the 30 minute open ended questions then
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>> lab
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> work....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Kleban
>>>>>>>>>>>
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