From: Godswill Oletu (oletu@inbox.lv)
Date: Sun Mar 29 2009 - 15:41:28 ART
'no side jobs..?' I now have a valid reason to reject those inlaws calls for
help with their computers or home wireless AP or window xp/vista hiccups :)
seriously, I do not think it is that strict; I do not know any Networking
Engineer who have not done a side job at least once in their career
including your veryself; either for monetary gains or otherwise.
The unabridged version of the document is located at:
http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/program/certifications/download/audit_and_policies_v22.pdf
That is the latest reversion 2.2; 11/18/08.
I cannot find any term describing the contracted CCIE to be exclusive in the
document. Section 4.1.3 (page 11 of 54) spell out the personnel
requirements.
In anycase, my point is, it is open ended and can be subjected to various
interpretation. If what you are saying is what Cisco really met, there is
nothing stopping from making their policies a little bit clearer; like
throwing in something like:
"A CCIE whose number is used towards a partner's certification, can only
work exclusively for that partner"
With the hash economic climate, some employers are looking for ways to cut
cost; including squeezing out the last possible dollar out of every legal
contract while at the same time trying to fulfill the requirements of the
contract with the less amount of goods, services & staff permissible under
the contract.
Godswill Oletu
CCIE #16464 (R&S)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Perrier" <thomas@perrier.name>
To: "Godswill Oletu" <oletu@inbox.lv>
Cc: "Ruhann" <groupstudy@ru.co.za>; "Radioactive Frog"
<pbhatkoti@gmail.com>; "Taufik Kurniawan" <ktaufik@gmail.com>; "Darby
Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>; "Duane Dewitt"
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Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: OT : Regarding CCIE NO Association with Company
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Godswill Oletu <oletu@inbox.lv> wrote:
> This is the Cisco policy regarding this:
>
> http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/customer/765/partner_programs/certification/gold_ov.pdf
Nope, that's just a quick overview of it. The full document has more
than 50 pages. It can be found somewhere on the partner's part of
cisco.com (sorry I don't have a link available).
> There is residency requirement and I stand corrected on that, but there is
> not in the policy that indicated that doing it within the border of a
> single
> country is illegal or even amount to cheating.
>
> Cisco spelled out in that document, that for CCIEs, the partner can use
> contract staff, as long as the contract staff component is not more than
> 50%. Except where an existing contract specifically indicates otherwise;
> there is nothing illegal or unethical for one to work for multiple
> companies, as long as there is no conflicts or all conflicts are made
> known
> to all parties involved in advacne.
There's one critical keyword not appearing in the document you linked
to above, that's the term "exclusive":
"CCIE must have **exclusive**, full-time contract with partner in
country seeking certification and must dedicate 100 percent of his or
her time to that partners business" (emphasis mine)
And of course, 100% doesn't mean "if you work only 35 hours a week for
someone else and are willing to do a few more hours for us, that's
OK". It means 100% of your working time, no matter the length, i.e. no
side job.
-Thomas
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